Which tree is it?

GaryGoFast · 06-13-2007, 08:01 AM

In D1, they have been using the National Event tree at Division and Open races so far this year, anyone outta division noticing same? I didnt see anything re: posted anywhere & they have just been annoucing this on site during the races.

Gary

sg1838 · 06-13-2007, 11:05 AM

Are you sure Gary??? Not that I'm doubting you, but I don't recall seeing any announcements about this either (but IMO it makes sense)...

Jason Oldfield
S/G & S/ST 1838

SGSST109E · 06-13-2007, 01:37 PM

The way I understand it all divisions are using the professional pro tree. The pro's have been red lighting so NHRA added 3 hundreds to the mix. I was off by 3 hundreds at MG and beat myself up for it. If you have a heavy car you may as well give up in SG.

Since we have two organizations let make all sportsman pro tree's a 5 tenths, since everyone has a box.

sg1838 · 06-13-2007, 05:16 PM

I don't think this is correct. The last I knew, NHRA ADDED about 0.03 to the tree, but that doesn't help red lights, it helps people that can't get a light. What used to be a .400 light is now a .370.

My understanding was the reason they did it was so that the fuel guys would look better on the tree. The negative side effect from that was more red lights from PS and PSB. In addition, it immediately made everyone in the .90 classes deadly, where before they may not have been able to get a light.

Am I wrong here? Did I miss an announcement somewhere?

Jason Oldfield
S/G & S/ST 1838

BKSG1198 · 06-13-2007, 05:45 PM

When we were at the MASGA race the week after the Maple Grove Divisional, the Maple Grove Track Guys came up to Lucky and asked if we wanted a Pro Tree or Regular Tree. When he asked what the difference was they told him that the Pro Tree had 3 hundreths added to the pro tree to help the pro stock cars from red lighting and that was the tree they were using at the D-1 Open and Divisional. We opted for the regular tree and I think almost everyone redlighted in the 1st qualifing session.

Shane Carr · 06-13-2007, 07:20 PM

The tree is now .370 NOT .400
When L.E.D. lights first came out pro stock & pro stock bike were all complaining about red lighting, after enough bitching NHRA decided to make the pro tree 370 instead of 400.
In almost 20 years of racing I have had more FLUKE redlights since LED lights came out than the previous 15 to 16 years on the old style bulbs.
MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION OF LED LIGHTS............WELL........
THEY FREAKIN SUCK FOR RACING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Test have been conducted recently and LED lights vary up to .017 every time they light up.

Now I know there is some electrical guru that will see this and say im crazy or just getting old and need to quit.

In case you forgot LED lights SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shane Carr

GaryGoFast · 06-13-2007, 08:01 PM

Pt is there was no official announcement, just a voice over the P.A. stating .370 tree was being used. Got to Island Open and .370 was there also, just wanted to know if thats the way it is all the time.
Just got my car hitting the .400 tree with no delay, tough now at .370 to be competetive.

gary

hookdaddy · 06-13-2007, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Since we have two organizations let make all sportsman pro tree's a 5 tenths, since everyone has a box.

Amen to that !!!

Don Scholl
S&W Race Cars

sc1153 · 06-13-2007, 09:06 PM

For all those who do not know.....MG open race the tree/computer was set the same as national event because EVERYONE was having a problem hitting the tree (what ever it is). Just prior to first round the track had a computer malfunction and had to go to a back up computer (that was set for divisional tree) there was (NO JOKE) about 40 red lights. I compensated however my father did not, (he went red). The entire race was completed, the next day for the divisional the computer was repaired and we were back to national event tree, (you can only tell if you listened to everyone race)

They made no announcments and no statements to any racers that the tree's were different.

Bad call

From what I am hearing in D1 (all other divisions are supposevedly already doing this) will only be using the National Event Tree (slow)

we will see this weekend at Atco.

Thanks,
Chris DePascale
S/C 1153....Addicted Racing
Jad153@aol.com

NED890 · 06-13-2007, 09:23 PM

So you just have too take some out of the box

06-13-2007, 08:01 AM	#1
GaryGoFast Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New York Posts: 804 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Which tree is it? In D1, they have been using the National Event tree at Division and Open races so far this year, anyone outta division noticing same? I didnt see anything re: posted anywhere & they have just been annoucing this on site during the races. Gary __________________ Gary Federico S/St, S/G 1814

06-13-2007, 08:01 PM	#7
GaryGoFast Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New York Posts: 804 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Pt is there was no official announcement, just a voice over the P.A. stating .370 tree was being used. Got to Island Open and .370 was there also, just wanted to know if thats the way it is all the time. Just got my car hitting the .400 tree with no delay, tough now at .370 to be competetive. gary __________________ Gary Federico S/St, S/G 1814

06-13-2007, 09:06 PM	#9
sc1153 Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Parlin, NJ Posts: 420 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	For all those who do not know.....MG open race the tree/computer was set the same as national event because EVERYONE was having a problem hitting the tree (what ever it is). Just prior to first round the track had a computer malfunction and had to go to a back up computer (that was set for divisional tree) there was (NO JOKE) about 40 red lights. I compensated however my father did not, (he went red). The entire race was completed, the next day for the divisional the computer was repaired and we were back to national event tree, (you can only tell if you listened to everyone race) They made no announcments and no statements to any racers that the tree's were different. Bad call From what I am hearing in D1 (all other divisions are supposevedly already doing this) will only be using the National Event Tree (slow) we will see this weekend at Atco. Thanks, Chris DePascale S/C 1153....Addicted Racing Jad153@aol.com __________________ Chris DePascale S/ST 1531 & S/C 1153....Addicted Racing Jad153@aol.com

06-13-2007, 11:05 AM	#2
sg1838 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 80 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Are you sure Gary??? Not that I'm doubting you, but I don't recall seeing any announcements about this either (but IMO it makes sense)... Jason Oldfield S/G & S/ST 1838

06-13-2007, 01:37 PM	#3
SGSST109E Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 342 Likes: 54 Liked 124 Times in 58 Posts	The way I understand it all divisions are using the professional pro tree. The pro's have been red lighting so NHRA added 3 hundreds to the mix. I was off by 3 hundreds at MG and beat myself up for it. If you have a heavy car you may as well give up in SG. Since we have two organizations let make all sportsman pro tree's a 5 tenths, since everyone has a box.

06-13-2007, 05:16 PM	#4
sg1838 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 80 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I don't think this is correct. The last I knew, NHRA ADDED about 0.03 to the tree, but that doesn't help red lights, it helps people that can't get a light. What used to be a .400 light is now a .370. My understanding was the reason they did it was so that the fuel guys would look better on the tree. The negative side effect from that was more red lights from PS and PSB. In addition, it immediately made everyone in the .90 classes deadly, where before they may not have been able to get a light. Am I wrong here? Did I miss an announcement somewhere? Jason Oldfield S/G & S/ST 1838

06-13-2007, 05:45 PM	#5
BKSG1198 VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back in Vineland, NJ Posts: 2,462 Likes: 82 Liked 985 Times in 300 Posts	When we were at the MASGA race the week after the Maple Grove Divisional, the Maple Grove Track Guys came up to Lucky and asked if we wanted a Pro Tree or Regular Tree. When he asked what the difference was they told him that the Pro Tree had 3 hundreths added to the pro tree to help the pro stock cars from red lighting and that was the tree they were using at the D-1 Open and Divisional. We opted for the regular tree and I think almost everyone redlighted in the 1st qualifing session.

06-13-2007, 07:20 PM	#6
Shane Carr Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Who knows Posts: 60 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The tree is now .370 NOT .400 When L.E.D. lights first came out pro stock & pro stock bike were all complaining about red lighting, after enough bitching NHRA decided to make the pro tree 370 instead of 400. In almost 20 years of racing I have had more FLUKE redlights since LED lights came out than the previous 15 to 16 years on the old style bulbs. MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION OF LED LIGHTS............WELL........ THEY FREAKIN SUCK FOR RACING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Test have been conducted recently and LED lights vary up to .017 every time they light up. Now I know there is some electrical guru that will see this and say im crazy or just getting old and need to quit. In case you forgot LED lights SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Shane Carr

06-13-2007, 09:23 PM	#10
NED890 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 39 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	So you just have too take some out of the box