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Old 02-12-2021, 08:27 AM   #21
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The driver may have a difficult time seeing over the steering wheel.
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Old 02-14-2021, 12:36 PM   #22
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Just so we are on the same page , over staging = you deep staged by mistake for any reason you are out . And not just a double bulb mistake and you must back out and re-stage . I can't recall the last time I saw it happen but it makes you think twice on taking an extra bump or 2 if you've been alittle on the late side of the tree or a hot greasy track .
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Old 02-14-2021, 08:41 PM   #23
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Sounds like to me another way to cheat. Getting a 1320 measurement somehow. I mentioned a long time ago about racing a world champ that only stared at the tach like it was a geiger counter. Burp burp burp right on the dial in a head wind. Jumped out the car and tells his crew "I thought I turned the tire." Nice![/QUOTE

Perhaps not even very long ago?
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Old 02-15-2021, 02:45 PM   #24
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Just so we are on the same page , over staging = you deep staged by mistake for any reason you are out . And not just a double bulb mistake and you must back out and re-stage . I can't recall the last time I saw it happen but it makes you think twice on taking an extra bump or 2 if you've been alittle on the late side of the tree or a hot greasy track .
Since NHRA made this rule after Orlando. They seen certain competitors are turning on both lights and backing up just enough to turn out the bottom bulb. They do it in their time runs and in competition every time. There is a reason they are doing it. You would have to ask them why. Same ones that have been doing it years past as well. They need an advantage to win the way I see it..
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Old 02-16-2021, 10:23 AM   #25
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Since NHRA made this rule after Orlando. They seen certain competitors are turning on both lights and backing up just enough to turn out the bottom bulb. They do it in their time runs and in competition every time. There is a reason they are doing it. You would have to ask them why. Same ones that have been doing it years past as well. They need an advantage to win the way I see it..



NHRA needs to provide a clear definition of "Over Staging".

Drivers that after the burn out put on 2 lights right away then back up to put out the stage light are doing a couple of things.
1. When applying the trans brake the car will move forward slightly it will fully stage without a bump the driver knows he's shallow and in the same spot every time taking out the stage position variable in delay setting and ET prediction. Foot braking if leaving at a high RPM the car will move forward when loading the suspension and brakes.

2. Inexperienced opponents will not be able to control their natural reaction to speed up their routine seeing the pre-stage light on handing the psychological advantage over and possibly making a mistake.

Remember a great ATCO racer many time super pro track champ who never did an over the line burnout with his dragster staging as described. Won a lot of rounds.
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Old 02-16-2021, 11:32 AM   #26
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I don't have a trans brake in my stocker. I've been doing it for 50 yrs with a foot brake. I'm sure NHRA would be glad to answer your question. I've been lucky to win championships in the pro E.T class when I would go on a regular bases. Never had to back out to know where the stage light is. Learn something new every day is a good thing.

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Old 02-16-2021, 12:11 PM   #27
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Backing out of the stage light or rolling into it, I don't see one being better than the other as far as "knowing where the stage light is". Still has to roll into the stage light after backing out. Seems like more of a mind games thing.
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2. Inexperienced opponents will not be able to control their natural reaction to speed up their routine seeing the pre-stage light on handing the psychological advantage over and possibly making a mistake.

It's true. I have my usual routine of doing a short burnout and rolling all the way into the prestage beam if the tree is ready. I don't do it to hurry anyone but I also don't need 45 seconds like some people do. Some have felt rushed, even some experienced racers.



Heck they can take all the time they need and it won't matter. I just don't need to stop 30' from the line, check belts, mirrors, hair, thumbs up from a crewmember, rev the car 15 times, etc.... LOL
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Old 02-16-2021, 04:03 PM   #29
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Really confused here....NHRA is talking about overstating and the reply’s are backing out of the beams....??
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Old 02-16-2021, 06:42 PM   #30
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Really confused here....NHRA is talking about overstating and the reply’s are backing out of the beams....??
Surely could use a better term than "over staging" possibly. Is staging twice over staging? it doesn't say deep stag. Write on the window I stag multiple times bare with me.
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