AHFS at Indy?

[TERRY HEMBREE]

It's just the NHRA version of D.E.I. and since the one man wrecking ball is loose again in D1 there's no since in me trying to save my combo.

[pmrphil]

I wonder what their version of "Full Tech" is? Fuel and weight?

[Jared Jordan]

Indy is the “best data” they can collect. They’re right, when we run with impunity. The data they’ll get this year will be marginally better, at best, than any other national event.

[James Perrone]

The biggest problem with ahfs is the way the HP is given
Whose idea was it to take a percentage of the fastest run on the combo?
Thats the azz arch here it should go back to the class average
To give hp because HP because. 1. Car goes 125 under is wrong
Them stupid fast runs are not an average run usually the weather perfect with a tail wind

Go back to class averages and not the % of the fastest run
Bring mineshaft rule back

[Andrew Hill]

The real issue is how unrealistic the AHFS criteria are. In 2023, 91 stockers qualified 1.00+ under at Indy, and if they can run 1.00 under at Indy, they would almost certainly average more than 0.85 under racing a full season without slowing their car down.

Do all 91 deserve horsepower?

[Jeff Dona SS3269]

Originally Posted by Andrew Hill

The real issue is how unrealistic the AHFS criteria are. In 2023, 91 stockers qualified 1.00+ under at Indy, and if they can run 1.00 under at Indy, they would almost certainly average more than 0.85 under racing a full season without slowing their car down.

Do all 91 deserve horsepower?

Bingo we have a winner. Index issue?

[james schaechter]

I think the biggest problem with NHRA saying the data is good at Indy is that they don?t remember what ?full tech? used to be at Indy.

They don?t put eyes on any cars before the race like they used to.
Also, Indy has had a long tradition of robust and full teardown schedules, so the saying that going. Fast at Indy means you are fast had merit.

Point 3 of their clarification is pretty hollow if they do not put tech back in at the race. Probably the biggest heartburn is for racers that won?t go to Indy but may get hp as a result of runs made there. At least if tech and teardown was more like it was, it would legitimize any ahfs hits.

I don?t know why any -1.30 hit wouldn?t get a look before applying hp to all, but that has been happening.



I will say that NHRA gets plenty of complaints from people that say ahfs needs to work better so they are getting yelled at in both ears.

Heck some moron even sent threatening letters about a race team because they have dominated at Indy in terms of class and qualifying in recent years.

I would rather they clarified in the beginning of the year, but they didn?t say they would allow a hall pass every year.

As far as indexes go, I agree there are some really soft ones. Whenever anyone mentions dropping the index it is met with a lot of resistance from folks that will be impacted.

[James Hill]

Originally Posted by Andrew Hill

The real issue is how unrealistic the AHFS criteria are. In 2023, 91 stockers qualified 1.00+ under at Indy, and if they can run 1.00 under at Indy, they would almost certainly average more than 0.85 under racing a full season without slowing their car down.

Do all 91 deserve horsepower?

They either need horsepower or the indexes need to be lowered. If we are being honest probably both.
In the current form there is no good way to fix the problem without hurting others.

[KRatcliff]

Originally Posted by james schaechter

As far as indexes go, I agree there are some really soft ones. Whenever anyone mentions dropping the index it is met with a lot of resistance from folks that will be impacted.

Are there really that many soft indexes or are there a few soft factored cars within a given index? I am trying to wrap my head around how simply lowering indexes accomplishes much because it is proportional.

All cars within that index now run under a lower one. Just like what happened a few years ago. What am I missing?

Say you lower it another .30 All you end up doing is lowering the index and the few cars that are within that .30 can't compete, but it does nothing towards addressing soft combo. Of course, I could be missing something so I am listening.

[Jeff Dona SS3269]

Originally Posted by KRatcliff

Are there really that many soft indexes or are there a few soft factored cars within a given index? I am trying to wrap my head around how simply lowering indexes accomplishes much because it is proportional.

All cars within that index now run under a lower one. Just like what happened a few years ago. What am I missing?

Say you lower it another .30 All you end up doing is lowering the index and the few cars that are within that .30 can't compete, but it does nothing towards addressing soft combo. Of course, I could be missing something so I am listening.

It?s been roughly 15 years since the last index and AHFS adjustment rule changes better accepted parts ,R&D have made anyone working on their stuff faster making easier to run .85 under and that?s all you have to avg to get HP along with 2 sec under triggers . If we leave the indexes or the .85 avg numbers the same we will keep putting weight in our cars . I?ll use the 255 that got instant HP on Monday as an example that combo has been race for 56 years did it really need that much power obviously he spent good money bought the best he could buy and was in great conditions and now everyone that has that combo that chose not to buy the best stuff and I totally understand that got their combo pretty much destroyed in one run. We also just watched a heads up final in stock at a track that?s not known for being fast if that race happens at Gainesville they are both probably getting Hp on Monday and not just 5 enough to move a class. At some point either the AHFS numbers need adjusted or adjust the indexes and leave the AHFS numbers the same . Like Andrew said in his post 91 stockers were a sec under at Indy not Gainesville . The last adjustment we took a .30 hit and the trigger went from 1.15 to 1.0 I do not recall what the avg was . This gave everyone a little cushion the guy on a budget wasn?t get hp from someone that?s buying the latest greatest stuff we are there again.