Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68

[DeuceCoupe]

See the tables on pg4 (they need updating) and RatPatrol's list on page 8.
I found the Filo car for L/S=13.00
57 Chev 150 2dr wagon
3406/250=13.62
The 2dr post I had guessed is a better fit to class, but that's Filo in the picture in the T-T race against an identical L/S wagon. Filo's name is on the door.

https://archive.petersen.org/pages/p...php?ref=318339

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

Always controversy on low production cars. The story I have known for quite awhile is that Ford made 3 (Three) 427 Fairlane rag tops but Ford wont admit it.. Dont know if they all 3 had 2X4's or one four? Simons car is one/was one. His car and a friend of mine here in Florida has one in his garage with the correct title matching "R" code data plate but its in pretty rough shape and no engine or trans. Dont know if Simons car is an "R" code car or not??? I always thought the R code meant 2X 4's???? He is restoring it with a pump gas friendly 427 side oiler for the street but dosent care if it a real one or not. He is just a "Ford" guy with a couple of 55-57 T-Birds, another GTA 390 Fairlane, etc. and likes the way it looks. Wont sell it either. He has some paper work on it and is supposed to have spoken to Simon long ago about it. Who knows where the 3 rd one is today or if there is/was one. One old story is that it was raced on the street when new and crashed. Probibly destroyed if it ever existed?

Posted on Class Racer a number of years ago.



Stan

[DeuceCoupe]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Posted on Class Racer a number of years ago.



Stan

Thanks Stan. Note the mention of Simon's OTHER car a 390GTA Fairlane.
A hardtop GTA is not as good a fit as the 2dr post 3267/320=10.21 but the big GTA hardtop does (barely) fit class at
3356/320=10.49 so that would fit our mystery for F/SA=10.00 at 69 Indy.

I'm guessing that because a 2dr post wouldn't be called a GTA, it would just be a 2dr post with a 390GT engine and a C6 auto. But, some refer to the "engine" as the "car". Either way I think this confirms Simon also had a 390/320 car that fits this class.

[Steve Stasko]

Originally Posted by DeuceCoupe

It sure was!
1966: About 57 built, AFAIK all hardtops, glass hood, almost all dual quad, maybe a few single quad.

1967: About 229 427 Fairlanes built and 60 427 Comets built. My understanding is all were FACTORY with flat STEEL hoods, but a Ford letter made the glass hood legal. All were built as 4speeds but again a Ford letter made the C6 auto NHRA legal. Most or all were 2dr post or hardtop cars, although the 427 is listed for the convertible too, and the Fairlane wagon (never heard of one built though, neither had NHRA), and the hardtop XL, but not the hardtop GT.

TODAY, you can run the 427 in just about any 66-67 Fairlane you want, but the rules were a little tighter from 68-70.

Lots of wins for the 427/410-4v flat hood Fairlane, and lots of SS wins for the glass hood 427/425-8v Fairlane even though it was factored to 460-472hp by NHRA back in the 1967-71 era.

I was talking about Simon's car in particular being a factory 427 car...not Fairlanes in general.

[Steve Stasko]

Originally Posted by DeuceCoupe

Thanks Stan. Note the mention of Simon's OTHER car a 390GTA Fairlane.
A hardtop GTA is not as good a fit as the 2dr post 3267/320=10.21 but the big GTA hardtop does (barely) fit class at
3356/320=10.49 so that would fit our mystery for F/SA=10.00 at 69 Indy.

I'm guessing that because a 2dr post wouldn't be called a GTA, it would just be a 2dr post with a 390GT engine and a C6 auto. But, some refer to the "engine" as the "car". Either way I think this confirms Simon also had a 390/320 car that fits this class.

Re-read that post. It sounds like he is talking about his friend owning a couple other Fords including the GTA car, not Dick Simons.

As far as Simons' car being a factory 427, I think more hype would have been made about it if that were the case at auction, and it wouldn't have pulled such low numbers. Looks like it was a 289 car according to the same post where the other quote was pulled from...

http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...t=47333&page=2

[DeuceCoupe]

Originally Posted by Steve Stasko

Re-read that post. It sounds like he is talking about his friend owning a couple other Fords including the GTA car, not Dick Simons.

As far as Simons' car being a factory 427, I think more hype would have been made about it if that were the case at auction, and it wouldn't have pulled such low numbers. Looks like it was a 289 car according to the same post where the other quote was pulled from...

http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...t=47333&page=2

Steve,
I was being an optimist but I think you're right!
All we know for sure is the 67 Ford part seems to be right.
So the cars that fit class are:
3258/320=10.18 390gt/320 67 Fairlane 2dr Post c6
A couple other Fairlanes, then the heaviest under 10.50:
3356/320=10.49 390gt/320 67 Fairlane GTA
3235/320=10.11 390gt/320 67 Mustang Convertible
4203/410=10.25 427/410-4v Big Ford Ranch Wagon

Strangely, the Fairlane adds 57 lb for the C6 but the Big Ford and Mustang dont add any.

[Rat Patrol]

DC - Re Marv Ripes -

Gary Glover sent me this - he went to the 69 Nats with Marv.

[Rat Patrol]

So here’s the list as it now stands.

A/S - P Scalia - 69 Camaro - 11.81 @ 116.73
A/SA - H Lang - 63 Plymouth Savoy - 11.65 @ 111.11
B/S - Tom Schumacher - 67 Fairlane - 12.09
B/SA-
C/S- Norm Fryer - 66 Chev Biscayne - 12.06 @ 110.70
C/SA - Tritak/Morgan - 63 Plymouth - 12.42 @ 91.42
D/S - William Robertson - 69 Camaro Z28- 12.24 @ 109.89
D/SA - B Bunker - Pontiac GTO - 12.45 @ 110.97
E/S - D Durbin - 68 Camaro Z28 - 12.25 @ 112.21
E/SA - T Callahan - 62 Fury - 12.60 @ 101.46
F/S - J Marks - Olds W30 - 12.44 @ 101.69 (Verified Casey Marks)
F/SA- Dick Simon - Fairlane 500 - 12.74 @ 100.67
G/S - Larry Lombardo - 61 Corvette - 14.32 @ 64.79
G/SA- Bob Burkett - 63 Dodge Wagon - 13.17 @ 92.40
H/S- Frank Iaconio - 57 Chev 150 - 14.47 @ 71.48
H/SA - Merkle - Fairlane vert - 13.21 @ 93.85
I/S - B. Rowe - Unknown - 12.66 @ 109.48
I/SA - Thropp - 57 Pontiac Chieftan - 13.46 @ 95.64
J/S - Morrison - 57 Chev 210 - 13.03 @ 103.32
J/SA - Dougherty - 57 Chev 150 delivery - 13.32 @ 104.16
K/S - Allen-Kling - 57 Chev Wagon - 15.44 @ 56.35
K/SA- W Walker - 57 Chev Delivery - 13.60 @ 102.73
L/S - D Filo - 57 Chev 150 2 door wagon- 13.58 @ 100.67
L/SA- G Cureton - 56 Chev Delivery - 13.66 @ 99.88
M/S - I Vaubel - 56 Chev 210 - 13.71 @ 100.44
M/SA - Wayne Jesel - 56 Chev Delivery- 13.90 @ 96.68
N/S - J Machula - 55 Chev 150 - 13.78 @ 98.40
N/SA - Marv Ripes - 57 Chev 210 sedan - 14.11 @ 86.78 (Verified Gary Glover)
O/S- Westberg/Westfall - 55 Chev 210 - 14.18 @ 84.28
O/SA
P/S - Bob Beckett - 55 Chev Wagon 210 - 15.06 @ 92.11 - (Boyce verified)
P/SA
Q/S - Dave Boertman - 59 Chev Biscayne - 15.17 @ 60.36
Q/SA
R/S- Tom Neja - 57 Chev Wagon 150 -15.37 @ 74.26
R/SA
T/S - Ivar Smiltnieks - 52 Oldsmobile 88 - 15.83 @ 86.87 (Correct spelling)
T/SA
U/S - Ted Harbit - 51 Studebaker - 16.22 @ 82.64
U/SA
V/S - D Hamburger - 50 Oldsmobile - 16.55 @ 82.11
V/SA

[Rat Patrol]

Moving on to SS -

DC, What are the differences between the 69 Mustangs in different classes?

SS/G - A Rainero - 68 Mustang Fastback - 11.35 @ 121.45
SS/GA - John Elliot- 69 Mustang Fastback - 11.62 @ 119.52
SS/H - S Wilson - 69 Mustang Fastback - 11.32 @ 121.13
SS/HA - B Allie - 69 Mustang - 11.67 @ 119.84
SS/I - Jerry Harvey - 69 Mustang Fastback - 11.43 @ 116.42
SS/IA - Bob Glidden - 69 Mustang Fastback - 11.89 @ 115.96

[DeuceCoupe]

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

Moving on to SS -

DC, What are the differences between the 69 Mustangs in different classes?

SS/G - A Rainero - 68 Mustang Fastback - 11.35 @ 121.45
SS/GA - John Elliot- 69 Mustang Fastback - 11.62 @ 119.52
SS/H - S Wilson - 69 Mustang Fastback - 11.32 @ 121.13
SS/HA - B Allie - 69 Mustang - 11.67 @ 119.84
SS/I - Jerry Harvey - 69 Mustang Fastback - 11.43 @ 116.42
SS/IA - Bob Glidden - 69 Mustang Fastback - 11.89 @ 115.96

SS/G=8.50 1968-1/2 Lightweight Fastbacks.

SS/H=9.00 1969 R-code cold air 428CJ, factored to 360hp
Fastbacks were 9.09 lb/hp, Coupe (Allie IIRC) was 9.03 lb/hp, 22 lb lighter but the weight savings was off the rear, and aero wasnt quite as good so probably a wash. Most ran the Fastback cuz it looked more "racy", kinda like chrome valve covers make your car faster.

SS/I=9.50 1969 Q-code flat hood / warm air 428CJ, factored to 340hp.