What Stock rules would you change?

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Not a solution but a band-aid adjustment.
S/SS is supposed to be a performance category, with indexes that reflect the hp per pound potential, yet cars routinely run 1 second under the supposed standard. Something ain't right here.

Here you go:
Raised the automatic hp trigger two tenths.
Then lower all indexes 4 tenths.
One second under index= instant hp..Mandatory tear down

NO,NO,NO more goodies for five (5) years.

Example...A/SA 11.00 becomes 10.60
Run of 9.59 = hp.

Response to counterpoint, right up front..I'll save you the trouble.
Most car , even at the bottom, are 2-3 under. If you can't pick your car up a tenth, with all the current technology, possibly you're in the wrong sport, or maybe go bracket racing for a while, then come back. Lots of cars are quota-ed out of national meets anyway . Why not start here, seeing this IS a performance eliminator, right?

For? Against? Tell us why..

I'm OK with this with 1 add-on, ALL un-competitive combos (ALL not just a couple for letter writers) get an immediate 15-20% HP reduction!

[Dwight Southerland]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

I'm OK with this with 1 add-on, ALL un-competitive combos (ALL not just a couple for letter writers) get an immediate 15-20% HP reduction!

So who determines "un-competitive combos"? You?

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Hacksaw

If you lower the indexes by 4 tenths, all the local Series type races will suffer from a smaller turnout of competitors. Not good. Currently most series honor IHRA indexes, but for how much longer? I like your plan, but it seems to be a double edged sword where the little guy gets beat up to suit the quick ones who are holding back. Seems to me this more of a Stock Elim. problem. Maybe go 2 tenths lower on the index?

Not really an issue.Local groups can do whatever they want.
We allow IHRA classes in the AZSSSA but take off the three tenths for qualifying.
Only problem might be in the Midwest, where they have their races in conjunction with an open or Divisional. Oh well ..Chasing gp's isn't cheap.

[Mike Pearson]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Not really an issue.Local groups can do whatever they want.
We allow IHRA classes in the AZSSSA but take off the three tenths for qualifying.
Only problem might be in the Midwest, where they have their races in conjunction with an open or Divisional. Oh well ..Chasing gp's isn't cheap.

You are out of your mind if you think lowering the indexes 4 tenths across the board will help stock and super stock. That would most likely kill the classes. about half of the fields at the divisionals would be un-competitive and probably quit going. Better and easier to fix the problems with the AHFS or use some common sense on the under rated combos. Most of us know what they are. The classes should never be predicated on the elite of the class. That's why there is the class average.
If someone triggers the review they should be torn down and checked for legality same as the automatic 1.20 threshold. Not all of us are world beaters and still like running stock and super stock.

[X-TECH MAN]

Rename S/S to Bracket 1 and stock to Bracket 2. That's what it already is !!!!!!! Or combine S/S and Stock into one eliminator ! Again stock is almost there already !

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Mike Pearson

You are out of your mind if you think lowering the indexes 4 tenths across the board will help stock and super stock. That would most likely kill the classes. about half of the fields at the divisionals would be un-competitive and probably quit going. Better and easier to fix the problems with the AHFS or use some common sense on the under rated combos. Most of us know what they are. The classes should never be predicated on the elite of the class. That's why there is the class average.
If someone triggers the review they should be torn down and checked for legality same as the automatic 1.20 threshold. Not all of us are world beaters and still like running stock and super stock.

Really, Mike ?

Here's the final Q sheet from one of the slowest non-factored tracks in the country.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop

How many cars are less than .4 under? How many actually belong there? I see two.
How's that gonna kill anything?
NHRA needs to bring performance back into S/SS .You can't have their own announcers complaining about 1000" runs..or people sand bagging to lower their averages all the time. It will become totally unwatchable, like the throttle stop classes.
So you think .4 is too much? Or maybe you think they should raise them up some?
Then you'd have more guys really running down the averages, so the fast guys don't get hit, ever.
How's that going to help the current problem?

BTW, better get used some index hit, anyway..Maybe not .4, this time.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

So who determines "un-competitive combos"? You?

No Dwight, it would have to be someone above my pay grade.

[JOE ZOOM]

Originally Posted by cicero819

Allow Deep Staging!

Sorry...Only Top Fuel and Funny Cars can go Deep.....but a 12 second stocker can't !!!
Just Stupid!!!! Joe Mocci. M/SA

[Jack McCarthy]

Billy billy billy ... wth ? You got a pile of poorly factored cars you wanna make playa’s ?? 20% really 20% ... let’s see that’s about what the ffford got off seen any of them in the top 10 qualifier since then ??? Jim hale gets 43off a 383 /315 down to 272 and is #1 and admits it makes well over 500 on dyno ... and that’s only 15% > how about you pick a combo at whatever it is rated and race it if it’s a slug you picked like **** >>> it’s not Bernie sanders socialist stock everyone isn’t guaranteed to run a second under 🤔🤔🤔

Maybe 5 hp off after two years of racing and $5000 receipts during that time 😳😳

Captain 😎

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by JOE ZOOM

Sorry...Only Top Fuel and Funny Cars can go Deep.....but a 12 second stocker can't !!!
Just Stupid!!!! Joe Mocci. M/SA

Yup. Right up there with a roll bar requirement in a 12.85 car (13's at altitude)