Lencos in SS - Page 8

Stick Racing · 12-14-2009, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Taylor 3601

James,
Did you see former governor Rob on Letterman? Told Letterman he always wanted to be on his show
in the worst way. Dave replied Well your'e on it in the worst way!!!
With clutchless IF YOU HOLD in gear at slow speeds like going to water box as example when
you slow down trans will ratchet on sliders and stay in gear this is barely above idle in low gear, but going down track racing if you lift or blow tires off bad will come out of gear and if you try to put back in goes to high and will wipeout slider and face plate on high gear,when in high gear you can lift off/on gas but have to hold trans in gear.
I don't know about any other stick guys but my hand never leaves the shifter anyway.
I'll give up stick cars when they pry my cold dead fingers off the shifter.
Mike Taylor 3601

To anyone thinking clutchless is 'easier' may be unhappily surprised. Once you take your foot off the gas, you're done.

On a side note, I suppose if money is no object and you can use a clutchless trans then you might as well hook an air shifter to it? I mean, autos in SS have an air shifter for their ONE shift. So, I suppose air/electric shifters will be legal also?

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Andy Stone 1102 A/S 1112 SS/C

283nova · 12-14-2009, 01:33 PM

as i mentioned in my intro post me and a friend are teaming up to build a 283 4 speed nova we are both new to super stock ive been racing et handicap pro for a few years got boring, so were looking to have some real fun i was pretty pumped until i read this thread if clutchless is allowed we wont be able to afford it.and we'd have to use an automatic and that would just plain blow. so keep the clutch assisted transmissions!!! even though i have never raced in s or ss i say clutchless is for comp and prostock!

Mike McCandless · 12-14-2009, 05:06 PM

Are there any real stick cars in SS that really use the clutch. I mean all you Jerico guys dont use it.

SuperStockDodge · 12-14-2009, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike McCandless

Are there any real stick cars in SS that really use the clutch. I mean all you Jerico guys dont use it.

I DO and my G-Force G-101 is thankful for it!

If you can't/won't drive a stick car like it is suppose to be driven, get an automatic...

SSDA3426 · 12-14-2009, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike McCandless

Are there any real stick cars in SS that really use the clutch. I mean all you Jerico guys dont use it.

I Dont Use The Clutch In My Semis Either BUT That Dont Make It An Automatic When Theyre Anywhere From 9-24 Speeds........I Dont Use The Clutch To Shift My Harley When Racing It Either.

I Only Used My Clutch Off The Line On The Old CRASH Boxs Back In The Day Also!...Thats The Whole Reason To MODIFY The Gears..

Put This Into Perspective As Well....You Are Allowed To Have:
A Mopar,Chevrolet,Pontiac Etc.. Engine
And Ford Rear-End...This Never Came In These Cars Either..WTF..

SS

Jeff Lee · 12-15-2009, 12:15 AM

283 Nova,

Don't worry, a "clutch" racing 4/5-speed will still be competitive. There's more to be gained with the right clutch than the "right" trans. I'm going to a Sportsman dual 7" from a Sportsman 10", both adjustable for base pressure and counter weight. A little 283" in SS may prefer something similar but maybe a single 8" disk with a 142T flywheel. I'd also look at transmission gear ratios. Everybody will tell you to run a super deep 1st gear but I would tell you to pay more attention to 3rd gear and compromise somewhat on 1st gear. A little 283 doesn't make enough HP to pull a high ration 3rd gear into 4th gear.

I've looked both ways, keeping my Jerico that I bought in 1997 and have not had one breakage issue, or converting the same trans to clutchless, assuming tomorrow the new rule is out allowing such modification. On the one hand, I hear about more breakage on a "clutchless" trans; at the very least more maintenance. But it will go faster just because the spread between the gears is less; less time zinging it between gear changes. A true clutchless trans will also allow for more finite tuning of the clutch by use of pressure settings and levers.
I've looked at the issue both ways. My bottom line is, if NHRA does not allow the change, I won' care at all. But if they do, I'll probably spend the money for the conversion. Jerico wants $1500 or less, G-Force wants about half. G-Force tells me you need a pistol-grip shifter / linkage for some reason but Jerico says a pistol-grip is not needed. So if you look for a used unit (and maybe there will be some more on the market at discount prices?), keep all this in mind. My advice for a newbe would be to buy a clutch trans like a Jerico or G-Force now and convert it to clutchless at a later date when funds are better. It's not a necessity today.

Regardless of the trans type, true clutchless or clutch assisted (without a clutch), the critical factor is the clutch. Too much pressure (base pressure, counter weight pressure or lever pressure) will destroy not only the consistency of the car but parts behind the flywheel. For those that shift with a clutch, it requires more pressure applied to the clutch. Nothing wrong with that but it does have an adverse affect on performance, consistency and breakage, in that order.

PM me if you need more specific help.

Good luck with your new toys!

Goog · 12-28-2009, 09:45 PM

Has anybody heard anything new? I want to place an order for a DR4, but am holding off for fear of this clutchless deal going through. - Tom

Stephen & Horace Johnson · 12-29-2009, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crisco

Over heard a rumor of Lenco's (planetary style) transmissions being allowed in SS next year. Anyone else hear about this? Supposedly the Hemi cars are pulling for this for 2010.

as of 2 wks ago, a certain tech man said, that clutchless trannys would not be legal next year.

I'd like to know because that way i can order a clutchless 5 speed...oops...did i say that..

Stephen Johnson #2162
Horace Johnson #2167
SS/D NHRA-IHRA RecordHolder

427_ED · 01-03-2010, 07:59 PM

I'm all for a clutchless trans in SS "hood scoop" classes. Several have mentioned the extra cost. Most SS stick racers carry a couple of spare transmissions to every event, and change them during the event. Do Jerico or G-Force even build a clutchless 4-speed?

Jeff Lee · 01-03-2010, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 427_ED

I'm all for a clutchless trans in SS "hood scoop" classes. Several have mentioned the extra cost. Most SS stick racers carry a couple of spare transmissions to every event, and change them during the event. Do Jerico or G-Force even build a clutchless 4-speed?

Yes, both offer clutchless trannies.

12-14-2009, 01:33 PM	#72
283nova Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: spokane, wa Posts: 88 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Lencos in SS as i mentioned in my intro post me and a friend are teaming up to build a 283 4 speed nova we are both new to super stock ive been racing et handicap pro for a few years got boring, so were looking to have some real fun i was pretty pumped until i read this thread if clutchless is allowed we wont be able to afford it.and we'd have to use an automatic and that would just plain blow. so keep the clutch assisted transmissions!!! even though i have never raced in s or ss i say clutchless is for comp and prostock!

12-14-2009, 05:06 PM	#73
Mike McCandless Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 121 Likes: 3 Liked 320 Times in 35 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS Are there any real stick cars in SS that really use the clutch. I mean all you Jerico guys dont use it.

12-15-2009, 12:15 AM	#76
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS 283 Nova, Don't worry, a "clutch" racing 4/5-speed will still be competitive. There's more to be gained with the right clutch than the "right" trans. I'm going to a Sportsman dual 7" from a Sportsman 10", both adjustable for base pressure and counter weight. A little 283" in SS may prefer something similar but maybe a single 8" disk with a 142T flywheel. I'd also look at transmission gear ratios. Everybody will tell you to run a super deep 1st gear but I would tell you to pay more attention to 3rd gear and compromise somewhat on 1st gear. A little 283 doesn't make enough HP to pull a high ration 3rd gear into 4th gear. I've looked both ways, keeping my Jerico that I bought in 1997 and have not had one breakage issue, or converting the same trans to clutchless, assuming tomorrow the new rule is out allowing such modification. On the one hand, I hear about more breakage on a "clutchless" trans; at the very least more maintenance. But it will go faster just because the spread between the gears is less; less time zinging it between gear changes. A true clutchless trans will also allow for more finite tuning of the clutch by use of pressure settings and levers. I've looked at the issue both ways. My bottom line is, if NHRA does not allow the change, I won' care at all. But if they do, I'll probably spend the money for the conversion. Jerico wants $1500 or less, G-Force wants about half. G-Force tells me you need a pistol-grip shifter / linkage for some reason but Jerico says a pistol-grip is not needed. So if you look for a used unit (and maybe there will be some more on the market at discount prices?), keep all this in mind. My advice for a newbe would be to buy a clutch trans like a Jerico or G-Force now and convert it to clutchless at a later date when funds are better. It's not a necessity today. Regardless of the trans type, true clutchless or clutch assisted (without a clutch), the critical factor is the clutch. Too much pressure (base pressure, counter weight pressure or lever pressure) will destroy not only the consistency of the car but parts behind the flywheel. For those that shift with a clutch, it requires more pressure applied to the clutch. Nothing wrong with that but it does have an adverse affect on performance, consistency and breakage, in that order. PM me if you need more specific help. Good luck with your new toys! __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

12-28-2009, 09:45 PM	#77
Goog Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 18 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Lencos in SS Has anybody heard anything new? I want to place an order for a DR4, but am holding off for fear of this clutchless deal going through. - Tom

01-03-2010, 07:59 PM	#79
427_ED Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Nicholasville, KY Posts: 265 Likes: 54 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: Lencos in SS I'm all for a clutchless trans in SS "hood scoop" classes. Several have mentioned the extra cost. Most SS stick racers carry a couple of spare transmissions to every event, and change them during the event. Do Jerico or G-Force even build a clutchless 4-speed?