AHFS at Indy?

[NHRA1926]

"Back in the day, the NHRA would usually make an effort to determine if a car was legal before whacking an entire combo."

Obviously this only applies when NHRA Administrators want to go by their own rules. The car in question at the Orlando race by-passed fuel check, run was thrown out, because NHRA's own rules state you must provide a fuel sample, that run would have made that car #1 qualifier, but it wasn't #1 on the sheet. Even one of NHRA's own LONG TIME tech personnel question this, HE WAS FIRED! But, that combination still got hit with 15 horsepower! It's time for everyone to realize, no matter what happens, what the NHRA says goes, even when they don't go by their own stated rules, they are right, you are wrong! That's final, you have no say in the matter. And if you DARE question them on using their own rules, you can be fined, band from competition, or even be torn down at several races at their discretion for complaining. BUT, they can still hit a combination with that horsepower even by not going by their own rules. Why can't we as members of the NHRA have a say in this, or have the ability to vote these dictators out! This is NOT what Walley Parks intended for OUR sanctioning body to be like. All I can say is, Long live the IHRA!

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by NHRA1926

Obviously this only applies when NHRA Administrators want to go by their own rules. The car in question at the Orlando race by-passed fuel check, run was thrown out, because NHRA's own rules state you must provide a fuel sample, that run would have made that car #1 qualifier, but it wasn't #1 on the sheet. Even one of NHRA's own LONG TIME tech personnel question this, HE WAS FIRED! But, that combination still got hit with 15 horsepower! It's time for everyone to realize, no matter what happens, what the NHRA says goes, even when they don't go by their own stated rules, they are right, you are wrong! That's final, you have no say in the matter. And if you DARE question them on using their own rules, you can be fined, band from competition, or even be torn down at several races at their discretion for complaining. BUT, they can still hit a combination with that horsepower even by not going by their own rules. Why can't we as members of the NHRA have a say in this, or have the ability to vote these dictators out! This is NOT what Walley Parks intended for OUR sanctioning body to be like. All I can say is, Long live the IHRA!

In that particular situation, doesn't the racer have some responsibility? Bypassing the scales to get around the rules is kind of shady....

[1347]

Originally Posted by GUMP

In that particular situation, doesn't the racer have some responsibility? Bypassing the scales to get around the rules is kind of shady....

The story is the racer went back to the trailer and was seen or caught pouring generator gas in the fuel cell so it would fail. And he had already had a valid first run going 1.10 under or something like that.
Correct me if I am wrong. There were several stories when it happened, and the racer has not been back at a race since. But they all point to that he bypassed the scales/fuel check on purpose.
Is that how you get away with not getting the trigger?

[NHRA1926]

Yes usually this run would not be allowed and thrown out due to the fuel check situation. In fact the run was thrown out, by the NHRA officials, because of the non fuel check issue. BUT......NHRA still used the run towards the 1.30 automatic trigger of the AHFS. And then they hit that specific combination with 15 horsepower, since it was a run 1.30 under that index. But again, if the run was thrown out, due to failing fuel check requirements set by the NHRA rules, why was that run used to hit that combination, if it did not comply with NHRA's own stated rules?

[Sam The Butcher]

The hit was to inflict as much pain as possible to a large group of over 30 racer with 69 Camaros. With the sanctioning body inability to open hoods now. They are now just bullies and dictators. The hay day of class racing is over. There policy are ruining the sport. No wonder so many are quitting.

[Larry Hill]

I have lost runs for being to heavy and for being to light. With VP 12 have lost runs due to last week sample was different from this week sample.

[1347]

Originally Posted by Larry Hill

I have lost runs for being to heavy and for being to light. With VP 12 have lost runs due to last week sample was different from this week sample.

So you put that in parody of intentionally contaminating a fuel sample so it won't count?
Suppose he was throwing weight out of the car before the scales, would that be considered the right thing to do to protect his average and fellow racers that run his combo?

[SDmopar]

Originally Posted by 1347

So you put that in parody of intentionally contaminating a fuel sample so it won't count?
Suppose he was throwing weight out of the car before the scales, would that be considered the right thing to do to protect his average and fellow racers that run his combo?

It appears clear to me if you bypass them your hiding something or trying to avoid HP. My issue is I?ve heard stories of people pointing out they are cheating to avoid HP. The 6 month ban is no where near serious enough. 5 year ban would maybe prevent these lowlifes from corrupting the system.

Any contestant who posts an elapsed time that would result in an immediate horsepower or index adjustment, must report to Technical Services for validation of the run. Any contestant failing to report to Technical Services for validation of the run for (weight, fuel, etc., including ?driving by? the scales), shall be disqualified from the event and suspended for a minimum of six (6) months. The event shall be charged against the driver?s annual quota of scored events with zero points awarded. The NHRA retains the authority to recognize the validity of any race result, or time recorded, in cases where there may be attempts to discredit the run.

The decision to adjust horsepower or to reduce the index will be at the discretion of the NHRA Tech Department

[bobbyd6]

NHRA U.S. Nationals Stock and Super Stock Runs To Be Included In Automatic Horsepower Factoring System
NHRA has announced that the Automatic Horsepower Factoring system will be used during this year?s NHRA U.S. Nationals. As a result, runs made by Stock and Super Stock competitors at any time during the event will count towards class averages, used to trigger index or horsepower reviews.

[Tony Fagnilli]

Originally Posted by bobbyd6

NHRA U.S. Nationals Stock and Super Stock Runs To Be Included In Automatic Horsepower Factoring System
NHRA has announced that the Automatic Horsepower Factoring system will be used during this year?s NHRA U.S. Nationals. As a result, runs made by Stock and Super Stock competitors at any time during the event will count towards class averages, used to trigger index or horsepower reviews.

Thanks