If you could run a National event without the AHFS in place- - Page 7

Tony Corley · 03-27-2015, 01:59 PM

I still really don't see the advantage they have when it comes time for eliminations.

Larry Hill · 03-27-2015, 02:31 PM

Isn't Class a race within a race?

If your in the eliminator AHFS applies to all, to be fair.

Maybe this will help some understand: Indy is a qualified field of 128 out of 200, so 72 racers don't make the race. Reasons the 72 don't qualify: 1 breakage, 2 missed clutch, car set up and or tune, 3 ink (Read too much horsepower adjustment over the life of the combination). Its the FS/X's ability to miss the ink, that is the smelly end of the stick that everyone including the other new cars who run the natural class dislikes. It will take some time for the AHFS to get them close to where FS/X's need to be, but it will get them. It won't take long to settle them down to where they will be like the rest of us hoping that this last qualifying run will get them in "The Show". 4.5% of 500 hp. is 22.5 hp. or 157lbs in a 7# class.

If you are not the lead dog the view never changes!!!!

Back to work on my combo.

Larry Hill · 03-27-2015, 02:39 PM

Tony who gets the first bye, second bye and so on: the FS/X cars.

I wish you would have used a different play on words.

Signman · 03-27-2015, 02:40 PM

Joseph
Best Wishes to You.

Mr Morris
My interest in this is a level playing field for all.
This effects me in a small way so am speaking up.
Don't think stick and auto should be combined. If it's unfair to the new cars start a conversation and I will support you.

Mr Corley
If we understand how qualifying and ladder system works there are advantages:
Qualify No.1 will earn you a first or second round bye.
Beiing able to sit at the top or bottom of qualifying able to play the ladder at will can have its advantages avoiding headsups, touigh pairings and friends.

Be well gentlemen!

Hagen Gary · 03-27-2015, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony Corley

I still really don't see the advantage they have when it comes time for eliminations. In my mind, worrying about where you qualify for a bracket race is like racing in the special Olympics. Even if you are first, you are still HANDICAPPED!

Well, that's an unfortunate way to describe yourself simply because you are unable to understand that if there are 3 bye runs, the top 3 cars get first shot at them. That's how it effects the eliminator. They are stealing bye runs, and in their minds they are doing nothing wrong. Its kinda like that lady who parks in the Handicapped spot, and then pays for all of her food (steak, shrimp and all the good stuff) with food stamps and makes a separate transaction for all of her alcohol. Sure, she is playing by the rules, but I have zero respect for a person like that. She sees no problem, screw everybody else, why don't they just do what she does if its such an advantage?......... I would say, because I'm better than that.

D.Johns · 03-27-2015, 03:45 PM

It doesn't matter what any of the rules are. There will ALWAYS be someone screaming foul and injustice.

Some people compete by racing their cars and some people compete by lobbying the rules. There is always a political side to it. Actually the NHRA seems less politically corrupt then other series I've been evolved in.

Then there are guys that complain about anything and everything. Win a million dollars off a 10$ scratch off ticket and complain about paying taxes on it.(not that anyone enjoys paying our own tax burden)

Tony Corley · 03-27-2015, 04:18 PM

Now that someone finally explained that it's not an "all run" field, at least that part makes sense now. When I asked the reasoning earlier, the answers, although some being condescending, were totally useless in shedding light on the issues caused. I thought it was an all run field, so qualifying order didn't seem to matter.

Thanks for the ones that took time to give a reasonable explanation.

Tony Corley · 03-27-2015, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill

I wish you would have used a different play on words.

Nevermind, politically incorrect humor seems to be losing it's appeal these days.

Sorry if I offended anyone. I'll change my original post. Can't help the quotes though. If they find it offensive, they can change it.

Superfan1 · 03-27-2015, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony Corley

Now that someone finally explained that it's not an "all run" field, at least that part makes sense now. When I asked the reasoning earlier, the answers, although some being condescending, were totally useless in shedding light on the issues caused. I thought it was an all run field, so qualifying order didn't seem to matter.

Thanks for the ones that took time to give a reasonable explanation.

Tony, the only National Event that is not an "all run" field is Indy; the quota is 200 for both Stock and Super Stock, and 128 cars qualify for each category. Every other National event is "all run" because the quotas are all less than 128.

Tony Corley · 03-27-2015, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superfan1

Tony, the only National Event that is not an "all run" field is Indy; the quota is 200 for both Stock and Super Stock, and 128 cars qualify for each category. Every other National event is "all run" because the quotas are all less than 128.

Thanks Superfan. As I said, I can understand there being an issue if it affects getting in the field, or even bye runs, for that matter.

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Tony Corley Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 264 Likes: 42 Liked 61 Times in 25 Posts	Re: If you could run a National event without the AHFS in pl I still really don't see the advantage they have when it comes time for eliminations. Last edited by Tony Corley; 03-27-2015 at 05:21 PM. Reason: removed offensive humor

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Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,646 Likes: 1,941 Liked 10,746 Times in 2,235 Posts	Re: If you could run a National event without the AHFS in pl Isn't Class a race within a race? If your in the eliminator AHFS applies to all, to be fair. Maybe this will help some understand: Indy is a qualified field of 128 out of 200, so 72 racers don't make the race. Reasons the 72 don't qualify: 1 breakage, 2 missed clutch, car set up and or tune, 3 ink (Read too much horsepower adjustment over the life of the combination). Its the FS/X's ability to miss the ink, that is the smelly end of the stick that everyone including the other new cars who run the natural class dislikes. It will take some time for the AHFS to get them close to where FS/X's need to be, but it will get them. It won't take long to settle them down to where they will be like the rest of us hoping that this last qualifying run will get them in "The Show". 4.5% of 500 hp. is 22.5 hp. or 157lbs in a 7# class. If you are not the lead dog the view never changes!!!! Back to work on my combo. __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

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Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,646 Likes: 1,941 Liked 10,746 Times in 2,235 Posts	Re: If you could run a National event without the AHFS in pl Tony who gets the first bye, second bye and so on: the FS/X cars. I wish you would have used a different play on words. __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

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Signman Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lower Slower Delaware Posts: 535 Likes: 22 Liked 269 Times in 99 Posts	Re: If you could run a National event without the AHFS in pl Joseph Best Wishes to You. Mr Morris My interest in this is a level playing field for all. This effects me in a small way so am speaking up. Don't think stick and auto should be combined. If it's unfair to the new cars start a conversation and I will support you. Mr Corley If we understand how qualifying and ladder system works there are advantages: Qualify No.1 will earn you a first or second round bye. Beiing able to sit at the top or bottom of qualifying able to play the ladder at will can have its advantages avoiding headsups, touigh pairings and friends. Be well gentlemen! __________________ Frank Ferrucci I/SA 1271 "Be Thankful for the Gifts You are Given"

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D.Johns Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 437 Likes: 15 Liked 18 Times in 6 Posts	Re: If you could run a National event without the AHFS in pl It doesn't matter what any of the rules are. There will ALWAYS be someone screaming foul and injustice. Some people compete by racing their cars and some people compete by lobbying the rules. There is always a political side to it. Actually the NHRA seems less politically corrupt then other series I've been evolved in. Then there are guys that complain about anything and everything. Win a million dollars off a 10$ scratch off ticket and complain about paying taxes on it.(not that anyone enjoys paying our own tax burden) __________________ 2014 Cobra Jet FS/XX #3345 STK/SS Like us on http://www.facebook.com/pages/Daniel...25886327426822

03-27-2015, 04:18 PM	#67
Tony Corley Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 264 Likes: 42 Liked 61 Times in 25 Posts	Re: If you could run a National event without the AHFS in pl Now that someone finally explained that it's not an "all run" field, at least that part makes sense now. When I asked the reasoning earlier, the answers, although some being condescending, were totally useless in shedding light on the issues caused. I thought it was an all run field, so qualifying order didn't seem to matter. Thanks for the ones that took time to give a reasonable explanation.