worst red light debate, again!

[danny waters sr]

[QUOTE]....

It's not the right time for that methodology, I'm afraid. Maybe it will never be.......
There is your answer.
Simple question for you mr Dedman.........
In drag racing ,What does red lite mean ??????
answer ==========" YOU LOSE " !!!!

Been racing for 40 years and lost a lot of races on red lites.
But i knew that when i chose drag racing as my hobby.
I don't need a rule change because i can lose if i red lite because i leave 1st.
I look at it a diff way, If i don't go red then my competitor has a chance to do what i did not do on that run and the pressure is on him.......I personally like it that way.....
I chose to run a slower et car and it does not bother me at all that i have the 1st chance to go red.....Just my opinion.... I would vote leave it alone. and suggest you practice on not going red so much.... 1st and last post on this matter .... y'all play nice now,..,.,.,.,.,.

[Jim Wahl]

[QUOTE=Jeff Lee;260359]

Bill, speaking of demonizing, is it something like this:

"You're dumber that I think you are...."

or this:

"As far as NHRA/IHRA goes, I don't run a Class car right now, and the "quality" of people that I would be talking to at the "HRA's", don't have the perspective beyond "the company line" to entertain "outside the box" ideas from non-NHRA/IHRA racers, especially (given their financial state of affairs,) ideas that are going to cost them money (no matter, how little.)"



Or maybe this:

Ed F quote to Bill. :Actually I'm having fun and you're nuts.Tomorrow I'll be serious and you'll still be nuts.Sad sad life.


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[Ed Wright]

Jim, what part of "I don't care if they change it or not, but it ain't gonna happen by posting on the Internet!" do you not understand? If you can't comprehend what is written, do I need to try to draw a picture of it? That is the position I have stated several times, and you still tell it differently. I sure wonder about you.

[Bunkster]

Originally Posted by danny waters sr

Been racing for 40 years and lost a lot of races on red lites.
But i knew that when i chose drag racing as my hobby.
I don't need a rule change because i can lose if i red lite because i leave 1st.
I look at it a diff way, If i don't go red then my competitor has a chance to do what i did not do on that run and the pressure is on him.......I personally like it that way.....
I chose to run a slower et car and it does not bother me at all that i have the 1st chance to go red.....Just my opinion.... I would vote leave it alone. and suggest you practice on not going red so much.... 1st and last post on this matter .... y'all play nice now,..,.,.,.,.,.

Then, we can presume that if.....just if.....this gets changed, should you be presened with a win ticket, and both cars fouled, but you fouled least, you will trailer your car and leave?

Or, perhaps you will speak with the race director and ask that the faster car be reinstated as you fouled first?

[bill dedman]

[QUOTE=danny waters sr;260367]

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Been racing for 40 years and lost a lot of races on red lites.

How many did you lose because you red lit and your opponent never had a CHANCE to lose, because you red lit, first? Don't you think he should have had HIS chance to lose the way you did? I do. Why should you face red light jeopardy, and him not??? Makes no sense...

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Jim, what part of "I don't care if they change it or not, but it ain't gonna happen by posting on the Internet!" do you not understand? If you can't comprehend what is written, do I need to try to draw a picture of it? That is the position I have stated several times, and you still tell it differently. I sure wonder about you.

ED,
Why do you persist in refusing to answer the question I asked, "WHERE IS THE HANDOUT?"

You post irresponsible comments, such as calling a rule change that will make red light jeopardy the same for everybody,) and ignore all requests to back up your statement with any kind of proof.

What kind of a guy would do someting like that?

If you can't/won't back up your claims, don't make them. It makes you look like your opinions have no leg to stand on.

[bill dedman]

RE:
"You're dumber that I think you are...."

If the shoe fits.... ("obcessing???") Ed's "superior NEW JOISEY edumucation fails him, yet again... His spelling is on par with his logic...

Jeff said:
"Well at least you FINALLY got somebody to write that darn letter for you. All you have to do is fill in the blanks. Are you waiting for free postage now?[/QUOTE]

Jeff, , did you not read this post I wrote on this subject of petitioning NHRA at this time, on the double red light system?"
Here it is, again...
Originally Posted by Bill Dedman:

"I have been able to, through my many posts here that explain the reasons why I think this "worse" red light idea could be an improvement over what we have, to use this board as Ken intended it.. Why anyone would object to using this board for the betterment of our sport is beyond me.

Some say it's boring, and a waste of time. That's their opinion, and they are surely within their rights to voice it here, but I would ask, "Why would anyone continue to read something that is boring, and a waste of time?" Nobody puts a gun to anyone's head and says, "READ THIS, OR I'LL SHOOT!" When I find a TV show on my television that bores me, I switch channels. There is an abundance of other subjects that are available on Class Racer that will inform, entertain, and educate... all one needs to do is click on them; nobody has to read this thread if it bores them.

Having said that, and I don't think there's anything in that paragraph that you would disagree with, doesn't it make you wonder why there are SO MANY posts here???? Somebody likes it... Somebody thinks it's worth discussing. A lot of "somebodies," apparently.

As far as NHRA/IHRA goes, I don't run a Class car right now, and the "quality" of people that I would be talking to at the "HRA's", don't have the perspective beyond "the company line" to entertain "outside the box" ideas from non-NHRA/IHRA racers, especially (given their financial state of affairs,) ideas that are going to cost them money (no matter, how little.)

No, I am sure that the first question he'd ask would be, "What is your membership number and what is your Permanent Number," as if that information would have ANY bearing on the quality of my suggestion(s).

Only by hearing it from a variety of sources, will this idea ever gain traction, and this forum is probably the best place for dispensing the kind of logic that is part and parcel of a worse red light rule.

Popular opinion will get this rule passed, eventually, if, indeed, it ever gets passed.

Talking to an NHRA/IHRA "official," who's relegated to answering the phones, isn't going to get it done. He's likely, already afraid for his job, and suggesting to his superiors a new rule that not only, won't make the national organization one thin dime, but will COST money to implement, isn't going to "enhance" his employment status at all... especially, at a time like this

It's not the right time for that methodology, I'm afraid. Maybe it will never be.

In the meantime, demonizing someone who is trying to help enact a rule that would make things more fair for everyone, and would hurt NO ONE probably isn't the best course of action...

My 2-cents."

Not a good time for a petition.... regardless of who submits it.

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

My answer is:



Uhh Bill,you've been obcessing over this since April 22nd.(Round two).Who's dumb?????????
Actually I'm having fun and you're nuts.Tomorrow I'll be serious and you'll still be nuts.Sad sad life.

And, you'll still not be willing OR able to anwer the two simple questions I asked...

Jeff; as far as "demonizing" somebody goes, how about this comment about me, from Ed:

"You are a scary individual."
How's that for a free psychoanalysis from a guy who thinks "obsessing" has a "C" in it...

This from one of the two ED's who refuse to answer for calling this new rule, a "handout," which it is not...

If YOU think it's a "handout," maybe you could answer for them... they obviously can't.

[Ed Wright]

Proof of WHAT Bill? Proof I don't care either way, and that they won't change anything? What irresponsible comments? Maybe I need to type slower. You claim you are trying to help get a rule changed? How? By endlessly typing long winded posts on an internet message board that simply repeat the same questions over and over? What does that accomplish? Make you feel better? Get yourself some attention? What?

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Proof of WHAT Bill? Proof I don't care either way, and that they won't change anything? What irresponsible comments? Maybe I need to type slower. You claim you are trying to help get a rule changed? How? By endlessly typing long winded posts on an internet message board that simply repeat the same questions over and over? What does that accomplish? Make you feel better? Get yourself some attention? What?

Proof that there's any shred of proof in what you contend. So far, all you do is ignore the question that I asked that would enable you to prove that this is a "handout."

Is it????

Why?

Just saying it doesn't make it so...