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[SStockDart]

Pretty much the democrats mantra, kill them before they are born.......then go crazy for a death sentence of a multiple killer.

[Lew Silverman]

Originally Posted by SStockDart

Lew, my whole point about going to the emergency room was intended to refer to a family of 20 some, and no one has a documented job. How do they pay for medical treatment? They don't....... how is that fair???? I am totally disabled with cancer from agent orange, so this example is not me, but someone near to my family.
She is a nurse at urgent care and he is a private home builder. They gross between $200 and 220,000. Obamacare cost is around $1,600 per month. They pay in an estimated $36,000 in fed taxes, plus all the local taxes. They pay into Social Security. They both work their asses of to provide for and raise their family with braces and educational costs.
So, how is this fair? One family of 20 some, has no one working, free housing, free food, cash to buy drugs and cars, and pays or does absolutely nothing for health care, or attempts to improve social standing. While the other family works hard to pay their way and set good examples.

We've all heard the horror stories, Gary. (See my reply to Randy Wells above)


Wouldn't it be great if there was a program that made affordable health care available to everyone, regardless of wealth or social status? A program that wouldn't disadvantage those with pre-existing conditions or force others to have to file for bankruptcy in order to keep a family member alive? It's not that hard to understand why health care is so expensive here in the US, versus the other industrialized nations who pay a lot less for medical care. You just need to be realistic. Imagine if that family of 20 your friends told you about had a way to see a doctor when one of them fell ill, instead of crowding the ER? Imagine how a "Health Maintenance Program" would make them (and all of us) less of a strain on the System? The Emergency Room isn't supposed to be anyone's "primary care", but without insurance that's where people are forced to go.


This is not a Black or White thing. This is not a Red or Blue thing. This is a HUMAN thing, looking out for those of us who are less fortunate then others. You keep calling it an epithet, "Obamacare", because that's what fashionable now. Still doesn't solve our problem.


Hope you stay well. Thank you for your Service to our Nation.

[Lew Silverman]

Originally Posted by SStockDart

Pretty much the democrats mantra, kill them before they are born.......then go crazy for a death sentence of a multiple killer.

How dare you even insinuate racism toward me. You are a pos. Have you ever seen my wife? F...you

Sure sounded like a version of the old "Welfare Queen" trope to me! But, hey, I could be wrong.


You still didn't answer my original, valid, question - How, where, when did you hear that the 23 (give or take) members of his extended Family were unemployed (and by that inferring they are living on public assistance)? And a further request - why does that even matter?

[SStockDart]

Lew, this should not be a "human thing". People are given the same opportunities for education, yet many do not accept that and are determined to bitch and complain that they are not treated fairly, in order to get something free. But free is not free.....someone has to pay for it.
I look at the riots and wonder how it got this way. I believe it goes back to a time when some of us were not in the states. The hippies, LSD, free love movement evolved via children and grandchildren to this crap.
I just saw pix of 4 BLM people take down an ex marine and kick him in the face. The Marine wore a Trump had.
So, you haven't told me why it is fair that some people pay thousands, and some people pay zero for health care. You only said we need to be humane? Why should we?

[Lew Silverman]

Originally Posted by SStockDart

Lew, this should not be a "human thing". People are given the same opportunities for education, yet many do not accept that and are determined to bitch and complain that they are not treated fairly, in order to get something free. But free is not free.....someone has to pay for it.
I look at the riots and wonder how it got this way. I believe it goes back to a time when some of us were not in the states. The hippies, LSD, free love movement evolved via children and grandchildren to this crap.
I just saw pix of 4 BLM people take down an ex marine and kick him in the face. The Marine wore a Trump had.
So, you haven't told me why it is fair that some people pay thousands, and some people pay zero for health care. You only said we need to be humane? Why should we?

Well, Gary, let me just say that you've got way too many issues than I am able to deal with, and the Class Racer Lounge isn't the place to do it. Looks like you'll have to deal with your "demons" without me.


And if you have to ask WHY it's necessary for us to look after the less fortunate among us, the poor and the sick and the disadvantaged, to be emphatic and charitable to those who have fallen on hard times (you might remember those words from your Bible), then no explanation from me is going to set you right.

[SStockDart]

Lew, what you consider less fortunate and poor, I consider that "self inflicted". Get an education, get a job, don't do drugs......pretty simple isn't it. Prisons are full of people that make other choices.

[Grey Ghost]

Originally Posted by jwsamuel

Republicans should like ti too. After all, the ACA was based on a proposal by the Heritage Foundation and was the basis of Bob Dole's healthcare plan when he ran for president in 1996.

In short, Republicans were for it until they were against it.



Who said we are offended by it?



What are you talking about? There are no fines for exceeding income thresholds. There are subsidies for low-income people.



Once again, Obamacare does not set the rates. Rates are set by the insurance companies under the laws of each state. If the rates are high in you state, look to the state government.

Also keep in mind that any increases that occurred in 2018 or after are the result of changes the Trump administration made to the ACA. SO if your costs went up for 2018 or later, blame Trump.




Not true.

All you've stated is nothing more than what the democrats said when passing obummercare. "When we pass it you'll find out what's in it" says peelossie. OBVIOUSLY you haven't read any of it. At $17.2k we are getting a "good" deal compared to $23k on the exchange with no subsidy. My wife spent days researching and actually spoke with an exchange representative. WE FOUND OUT WHAT'S IN IT.

For instance (follow along if you are able).The 2019 exchange premium is based on your 2018 tax return. Should your 2019 income exceed the 2018 income you WILL have to pay the premium difference PLUS fines. FACT...would you like my brother in-laws phone #?

Take you propaganda crap to factlessbook along with your dixiecrat bs buddy.

[jwsamuel]

Originally Posted by Lew Silverman

(Private, FOR PROFIT institutions may not have the same requirements).

Actually, for profit hospitals are no different. If a hospital has an ER, it is subject to EMTALA. I spent 15 years working for one of the largest for-profit healthcare corporations in the country, and another two years working for a smaller for-profit.

What a lot of people don't realize is that they have been paying for healthcare for uninsured people for decades. When hospitals are not paid for the care they provide to uninsured people, the hospitals make up that money in three ways. 1) The cost of that care is added to the cost of care for people with insurance. 2) Hospitals get reimbursed by states for that care with tax dollars, and 3) For-profit hospitals deduct the cost of unreimbursed care in their corporate tax returns.

At one of our hospitals in South Carolina, about 40% of bills were not paid prior to the ACA. After the ACA went into effect, that number dropped to 10-12%.

[Paul Sarvas]

You can always tell when facts get in the way during an online forum debate. Some folks use their favorite news channel talking points and monikers. When that doesn't work the name calling and personal attacks come out. Soon the grammer police visit. Then the caps lock and f-bombs. Fascinating...


pS

[Randy Wells]

Originally Posted by Paul Sarvas

You can always tell when facts get in the way during an online forum debate. Some folks use their favorite news channel talking points and monikers. When that doesn't work the name calling and personal attacks come out. Soon the grammer police visit. Then the caps lock and f-bombs. Fascinating...


pS

And you don't use the Communist News Networks talking points! Ok then. They say never argue with liberal because they have a disease, but I like the challenge.