Next Debate. - Page 6

Bruce Noland · 02-20-2009, 03:21 PM

The dyno numbers would be very helpful in determining a fair nhra factored Horsepower. Dynos have been around for a very long time and most good shops can pin point actual Horsepower and Torque numbers. This isn't rocket science. There is no need to ignore the obvious truth about theses cars. Also, we all know that the nhra rates these combinations on a curve so you will never see the actual Horsepower figure for any given combination show up in the Class guides.

BTW the new CJs are making much, much more horsepower than any 396 or 427 on the planet. This point is not in contention.

GUMP · 02-20-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

The dyno numbers would be very helpful in determining a fair nhra factored Horsepower. Dynos have been around for a very long time and most good shops can pin point actual Horsepower and Torque numbers. This isn't rocket science. There is no need to ignore the obvious truth about theses cars. Also, we all know that the nhra rates these combinations on a curve so you will never see the actual Horsepower figure for any given combination show up in the Class guides.

BTW the new CJs are making much, much more horsepower than any 396 or 427 on the planet. This point is not in contention.

OK Bruce if we are going to be fair about this how about we start out with your new Corvette? I will submit my Firebird numbers right after.

Bruce Noland · 02-20-2009, 04:03 PM

Gump,
Best numbers 592 Horsepower and 557 Torque. This motor is nhra rated at 420 Horsepower.

GUMP · 02-20-2009, 04:17 PM

Mine made right at 402 at the rear wheels and is factored at 341 HP. So, now what do we do? Mine is nowhere near the fastest, so can they even use mine? One dyno to the next will not read the same for many reasons, so how do we make up for that? Do you see where I am going with this whole dyno theory? There is no way that it can be done and give perfect results. Even if the the run is honest. I believe that the CJ is a soft combination, but I also don't believe that 500 HP is the right number. There have been lots of soft combinations before and I am sure that there will be many more. I really think that everyone should sit back and see what happens with this one. At least for a little while.

Bruce Noland · 02-20-2009, 04:39 PM

Gump,
I'm sorry, this isn't a complicated issue to resolve. One of these motors will be on the dyno someday soon and it won't take very long to figure out where they really belong. Thanks.

big blue galaxie · 02-20-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Gump,
I'm sorry, this isn't a complicated issue to resolve. One of these motors will be on the dyno someday soon and it won't take very long to figure out where they really belong. Thanks.

Thanx Bruce, you got what I was getting after. It's not the Cobra Jet per se, it's how the whole issue got handled and where it and other cars like it fit in the scheme of things. Someone brought up the new ZR1 and that car, if it was available in a drag chassis like the CJ and underrated the same way would cause the same controversy. All Ford had to do was be straight up about the true hp of the car and let the factoring fall where it may.

junior barns · 02-20-2009, 06:52 PM

big blue galaxie

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMEN

Ford, GM, chrysler, makes no difference

02-20-2009, 03:21 PM	#51
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Next Debate. The dyno numbers would be very helpful in determining a fair nhra factored Horsepower. Dynos have been around for a very long time and most good shops can pin point actual Horsepower and Torque numbers. This isn't rocket science. There is no need to ignore the obvious truth about theses cars. Also, we all know that the nhra rates these combinations on a curve so you will never see the actual Horsepower figure for any given combination show up in the Class guides. BTW the new CJs are making much, much more horsepower than any 396 or 427 on the planet. This point is not in contention. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK Last edited by Bruce Noland; 02-20-2009 at 03:23 PM.

02-20-2009, 04:03 PM	#53
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Next Debate. Gump, Best numbers 592 Horsepower and 557 Torque. This motor is nhra rated at 420 Horsepower. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

02-20-2009, 04:17 PM	#54
GUMP VIP Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Shelby, NC Posts: 1,819 Likes: 2,162 Liked 2,343 Times in 551 Posts	Re: Next Debate. Mine made right at 402 at the rear wheels and is factored at 341 HP. So, now what do we do? Mine is nowhere near the fastest, so can they even use mine? One dyno to the next will not read the same for many reasons, so how do we make up for that? Do you see where I am going with this whole dyno theory? There is no way that it can be done and give perfect results. Even if the the run is honest. I believe that the CJ is a soft combination, but I also don't believe that 500 HP is the right number. There have been lots of soft combinations before and I am sure that there will be many more. I really think that everyone should sit back and see what happens with this one. At least for a little while.

02-20-2009, 04:39 PM	#55
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Next Debate. Gump, I'm sorry, this isn't a complicated issue to resolve. One of these motors will be on the dyno someday soon and it won't take very long to figure out where they really belong. Thanks. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

02-20-2009, 06:52 PM	#57
junior barns Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 541 Likes: 11 Liked 20 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Next Debate. big blue galaxie AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMEN Ford, GM, chrysler, makes no difference