Gators S/SS Entries

[pmrphil]

You've got it, Larry. That and spectator response. Watch the stands fill as the fool cars come to the line. Then watch them empty as class cars come up. NHRA bottom line, spectator appeal, not what's right for the racers who come and spend their money and time.

[Don Kennedy]

Originally Posted by pmrphil

You've got it, Larry. That and spectator response. Watch the stands fill as the fool cars come to the line. Then watch them empty as class cars come up. NHRA bottom line, spectator appeal, not what's right for the racers who come and spend their money and time.

What would happen to a national event if there are no sportsman? The Pits are deserted and the manufactures row looks weird no one to show or sell their products, there is nothing going on in the pits no happening Pros are declining big time , Sportsman in my opinion have got to understand the Power Of Money we provide to NHRA, example Membership, Entry fees per year is huge do the math , The manufactures who sell to sportsman racers ,the ads in national dragster ,so forth and so on get the picture >the over view of a Huge happening in the pits cannot not ever happened without sportsman There is a huge underlying amount of money being spent by Sportsman racers of course in the High Performance Industry

[James Perrone]

What would happen if there was no sportsman?
They will fill with jet cars or street outlaws
Racing national events are a privilege where your have to earn points to get in
Nhra could car less about our entry fee. PROVEN they haven’t add extra spots in a few years. They can do without us. Look at Englishtown. They can do without it
You gotta earn points plain and simple

[Don Kennedy]

Originally Posted by James Perrone

What would happen if there was no sportsman?
They will fill with jet cars or street outlaws
Racing national events are a privilege where your have to earn points to get in
Nhra could car less about our entry fee. PROVEN they haven’t add extra spots in a few years. They can do without us. Look at Englishtown. They can do without it
You gotta earn points plain and simple

Correct on the earn points is a given

but do the math 500 race car per event times 24 events times say $500 per car is ??? looks around 6 mill per year to me just in entry fees give or take a few dollars just using this as an example ,all I would like NHRA to do is raise the Quota in Stock and Super Stock by 50 entries per event , since I am a Super Stock racer and like Stock

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by James Perrone

Racing national events are a privilege......

Not buying this one for a minute. Take a look at the original charter for NHRA and why it was formed.
This reminds me of the old adage " A driver's license is a privilege , not a right"
(to drive on our own roads)

See my signature line below again v v

[SC363B]

Don, there are other classes effected by the quotas. What if they just allowed 50 more super class cars. We pay the same entry and require a lot less oversight. No tech other than seatbelts, fire suites and helmet, diaper and membership and license. Don’t need anybody working scale no fuel check no making sure the car has the right hood or is in the right class no tear downs don’t need to worry about track prep. We support the manufacturers same as S/SS and and there are way more of use than you.
I’ve seen the idea posted that they allow 70 entries in all the classes and 64 qualify and six don’t make the show. We would probably still need 4 grade points and there would still be people with not enough to enter. Heck if it only took 1 grade point someone would complain they only live a mile from track and should be given preference.

[jmcarter]

Mark, love the Will Rogers line....yet another classic, only Mark Twain compares.

And devil's advocate here; if they increased the quotas at Gainesville you do know you'd be parked out by the University of Florida agriculture center, right? And if it rains...good luck. There's barely enough room on the asphalt for the Army campus, hospitality trailers for JFR/DSR, TRAXAS car track and the rest of the circus.

[Paul Wong]

It entertaining that no one remembers when it was NHRA's complete discretion to mail you back a packet of colored entry sheets of what events that you were qualified to enter based on the subjective judgement of someone in administrative offices. You submitted a request list and they decided which entry sheets you received. I get there was no social media but I don't remember all the complaining in the eighties when I got started about this process and it was not based on one objective thing.

Sure seems a lot easier to get a certain amount of grade points and know for sure where you stand. When I asked to get into a couple of races I remember being clearly told National events were a earned privilege to enter.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Don Kennedy

Most of the racers understand the way NHRA system works with Grade points ,never assume they don’t is best , but what I am confused about is the quota limit financially does not make “cents” if NHRA allowed just 100 more racers into a meet that would equal 100 more per race times 24 races so let say that each racer spends at most $500 so let me do the math 24 races times 100 is 2400 more entries at $500.00 each is 1.2 million .This is not chump change for any accountant or corporation .
If NHRA would just let 100 more racers into a meet ,let say who wins . The Racers , The Drag Strip Owners, The Sponsors, The Fans, and the Accountants of NHRA ,so can someone tell me why there is such a low Quota ???now if the quota is not changed just wait and see the entry cost will go up > I think I know the answer but I need other opinions?

Don, the NHRA is a Section 501(c)(6) not-for-profit. Above and beyond their expenses and their salaries, they don't care. They (apparently) aren't buying race tracks anymore and they certainly aren't hiring anymore personnel. So other than their skeleton crew and the Board-of-Directors salaries, their profits would have to go to the NHRA Museum or to keeping racers (small R on purpose) off of the streets.
Now, I'm going to print part of their "amended" charter and you can take out of it whatever you'd like.

Section 2,B., "The specific purpose of this corporation is to improve business conditions in the sport of drag racing and in the hot rod industry and to promote and advance the common business interests of those engaged in the sport of drag racing and in the hot rod industry, to promote safety, sportsmanship and fellowship and the exchange of knowledge and information among hot rod enthusiasts, and to carry on it's activities within the purview of Section 501(c)(6) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, as amended, and California Revenue and Taxation Code Section 23701c."

Now, what I'm reading here is if "Don Kennedy Race Cars" or "Don Kennedy" sponsoring a race car shows up at the gate to Gainesville and is denied access to the Gator Nationals, then the NHRA would be in default of Section 2,B. of it's charter AND it's Section 501(c)(6) status.

Not to mention, if I can get stupid for a minute (I'm good at stupid), wouldn't it be embarrassing if the Racers (capital R on purpose) who were refused entry staged an illegal street race on that long, straight road just outside of the track? I'm not condoning that this happen but there have been stranger forms of protests before.

If someone would like me to post the entire NHRA charter for your reading enjoyment, just ask, I'll start a new thread.

[MR DERBY CITY]

Originally Posted by SC363

Don, there are other classes effected by the quotas. What if they just allowed 50 more super class cars. We pay the same entry and require a lot less oversight. No tech other than seatbelts, fire suites and helmet, diaper and membership and license. Don’t need anybody working scale no fuel check no making sure the car has the right hood or is in the right class no tear downs don’t need to worry about track prep. We support the manufacturers same as S/SS and and there are way more of use than you.
I’ve seen the idea posted that they allow 70 entries in all the classes and 64 qualify and six don’t make the show. We would probably still need 4 grade points and there would still be people with not enough to enter. Heck if it only took 1 grade point someone would complain they only live a mile from track and should be given preference.

Mr. 363, you bring up a valid point that I have never considered.To increase the car count by ten cars, NHRA would need an additional 60 spots for both stk and SS, sg and sc , and TD and TS if they are competing that weekend...It would be difficult to find the room at Gainesville BUT it could easily be done at Vegas......BTW if anyone ever figures out the NHRA business model, please pass it onto me......