Attention Nova 350/255 stock combo. - Page 4

Tim Barrett · 09-11-2019, 01:40 PM

Got to stick my slow dumas nose in,,,WTF does the auto factoring system really do any way??? And for the cutting tenths off the index do to??? The system doesn't work,, period as far as making anything equal amungst classes. I know,,,go spend Thousands of $$$$$ to make my car go fast so I can stand around and tell everyone,,,"I got 6 quarts of oil,120 lbs in the trunk,got 18° timing and let off at half track.. I just don't get that rule....

Ron Ortiz · 09-11-2019, 01:50 PM

Well some on here say "work on your stuff", others say go fast but protect your combo, some say this is performance, but hold back anyway, some run it out and then get another combo, some are struggling to hit the index, while others want to lower it, some say it is class racing but then others want the quickest 64, some have extra cash some don't, some say if you can't handle the fire get out, but then they don't want to be burned by the same comment, while others call out others, and then some complain about AHFS, then we have the "run it out the back door and suck wind", and lest we not forget that NHRA can make a car really fast (FFFFord 302) or obsolete. Isn't it fun to know that you can be whacked in all kinds of different ways. So what is the answer. Deal with it. Soon you will be old and die, or maybe young and die, or just get a headache and complain. It is racing, have fun, or don't. Silly Humans.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA. they said it would be fun

jmcarter · 09-11-2019, 02:05 PM

We’re rapidly approaching this thread getting nuked...suggest everyone run their combo as they see fit and let the chips fall where they may....

Tim Barrett · 09-11-2019, 02:16 PM

Please don't nuke this thread!!! We have a serious issue in Stock Eliminator and it's the AHFS as to the limits that it puts on racers for working long and hard,unless your Barry Parker and have millions of $$$$,only to be penalized for making your combo run fast!!! And in the long run its the slower guys who will ultimately be penalized because of their budget.
Add 2 tenths and make 1.40 the limit,but only for you might get inspected for running that fast.Im sure 1.40 is attainable by quite a few and it would be fun watching you guys go that fast.

Mike Gray · 09-11-2019, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

AAAAANNNNNDDDDD another thing that would straighten things out in a hurry, if you trigger a hit, then your engine is For Sale to the highest bidder, call it a Claimer, bring tools to take it out. Don't want to sell your engine? Go home for the rest of the year.
P.S., I didn't say I like this idea, I said that it would straighten things out in a hurry.

Talk about smoking the tires across the finish line this would look like a forest fire!

Jack McCarthy · 09-11-2019, 03:03 PM

I hate to beat a dead horse but as I have said since the very first day “ the Automatic Help For Slugs cannot and will not ever work “ it takes a person to be able to look at SPECS and performance and decide if a combo is properly rated. Any system that allows us to manipulate the numbers (as was the purpose of this thread) simply cannot work ...

And I’m not that smart 😏

Mike Gray · 09-11-2019, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DG7050

Open up the number of entries at national events and make it a top 64 qualified field. The ahfs will be quickly rectified.

I would add where class is run class winners and top qualifiers fill field, then run them off their index no breakout with ahfs.

west coast · 09-11-2019, 03:22 PM

Here is my take on this, moving the indexes does nothing it moves it for ever one accomplishes nothing except make slow cars pick it up. Moving the triggers only helps the fast guys from getting hp and not letting the ahfs work at all. The biggest hinder on the ahfs is NHRA posting the spread sheet avg that helps everyone control the avg's. Lets go back to the root cause of the main problem factor the car right. Yes the ahfs does not work fast enough. When a car can get hit with hp 4 times and still be able to qualify #1 then some thing is wrong. So NHRA if you are listening quite giving info to the fast guys to help control the avg's, make the hp hits harder more then 3.25% at a time. I am sure i will get crap over this, this weekend at the races.

Ed Carpenter · 09-11-2019, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack McCarthy

I hate to beat a dead horse but as I have said since the very first day “ the Automatic Help For Slugs cannot and will not ever work “ it takes a person to be able to look at SPECS and performance and decide if a combo is properly rated. Any system that allows us to manipulate the numbers (as was the purpose of this thread) simply cannot work ...

And I’m not that smart 😏

If NHRA used 1/8th miles numbers WITHOUT telling anyone it would work.........

X-TECH MAN · 09-11-2019, 03:44 PM

Back on page 2 of this post when I said lower them by 5 tenths I meant lower the amount under the index by 5 tenths (to .70 under) instead of 1.20 under gets you automatic HP and a free trip to the tear down barn !

09-11-2019, 01:40 PM	#31
Tim Barrett Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Fort Ann New York State Posts: 143 Likes: 976 Liked 472 Times in 72 Posts	Re: Attention Nova 350/255 stock combo. Got to stick my slow dumas nose in,,,WTF does the auto factoring system really do any way??? And for the cutting tenths off the index do to??? The system doesn't work,, period as far as making anything equal amungst classes. I know,,,go spend Thousands of $$$$$ to make my car go fast so I can stand around and tell everyone,,,"I got 6 quarts of oil,120 lbs in the trunk,got 18° timing and let off at half track.. I just don't get that rule....

09-11-2019, 01:50 PM	#32
Ron Ortiz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Englewood, Florida Posts: 989 Likes: 35 Liked 317 Times in 103 Posts	Re: Attention Nova 350/255 stock combo. Well some on here say "work on your stuff", others say go fast but protect your combo, some say this is performance, but hold back anyway, some run it out and then get another combo, some are struggling to hit the index, while others want to lower it, some say it is class racing but then others want the quickest 64, some have extra cash some don't, some say if you can't handle the fire get out, but then they don't want to be burned by the same comment, while others call out others, and then some complain about AHFS, then we have the "run it out the back door and suck wind", and lest we not forget that NHRA can make a car really fast (FFFFord 302) or obsolete. Isn't it fun to know that you can be whacked in all kinds of different ways. So what is the answer. Deal with it. Soon you will be old and die, or maybe young and die, or just get a headache and complain. It is racing, have fun, or don't. Silly Humans. Ron Ortiz U/SA. they said it would be fun __________________ Ron Ortiz 2102 STK

09-11-2019, 02:05 PM	#33
jmcarter VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Richmond Hill GA (and Port Ludlow WA) Posts: 4,295 Likes: 2,383 Liked 3,177 Times in 971 Posts	Re: Attention Nova 350/255 stock combo. We’re rapidly approaching this thread getting nuked...suggest everyone run their combo as they see fit and let the chips fall where they may.... __________________ Jim Carter 2340 Super Stock 2340 SST/2340 Stock Set another place at the table

09-11-2019, 02:16 PM	#34
Tim Barrett Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Fort Ann New York State Posts: 143 Likes: 976 Liked 472 Times in 72 Posts	Re: Attention Nova 350/255 stock combo. Please don't nuke this thread!!! We have a serious issue in Stock Eliminator and it's the AHFS as to the limits that it puts on racers for working long and hard,unless your Barry Parker and have millions of $$$$,only to be penalized for making your combo run fast!!! And in the long run its the slower guys who will ultimately be penalized because of their budget. Add 2 tenths and make 1.40 the limit,but only for you might get inspected for running that fast.Im sure 1.40 is attainable by quite a few and it would be fun watching you guys go that fast.

09-11-2019, 03:03 PM	#36
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,322 Likes: 29 Liked 476 Times in 117 Posts	Re: Attention Nova 350/255 stock combo. I hate to beat a dead horse but as I have said since the very first day “ the Automatic Help For Slugs cannot and will not ever work “ it takes a person to be able to look at SPECS and performance and decide if a combo is properly rated. Any system that allows us to manipulate the numbers (as was the purpose of this thread) simply cannot work ... And I’m not that smart 😏 __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"

09-11-2019, 03:22 PM	#38
west coast Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Rainy Washington Posts: 609 Likes: 12 Liked 223 Times in 73 Posts	Re: Attention Nova 350/255 stock combo. Here is my take on this, moving the indexes does nothing it moves it for ever one accomplishes nothing except make slow cars pick it up. Moving the triggers only helps the fast guys from getting hp and not letting the ahfs work at all. The biggest hinder on the ahfs is NHRA posting the spread sheet avg that helps everyone control the avg's. Lets go back to the root cause of the main problem factor the car right. Yes the ahfs does not work fast enough. When a car can get hit with hp 4 times and still be able to qualify #1 then some thing is wrong. So NHRA if you are listening quite giving info to the fast guys to help control the avg's, make the hp hits harder more then 3.25% at a time. I am sure i will get crap over this, this weekend at the races. __________________ James Boyce 6052 K/SA Stock National record holder 2015,2018,2 times in 2022,2023

09-11-2019, 03:44 PM	#40
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: Attention Nova 350/255 stock combo. Back on page 2 of this post when I said lower them by 5 tenths I meant lower the amount under the index by 5 tenths (to .70 under) instead of 1.20 under gets you automatic HP and a free trip to the tear down barn ! Last edited by X-TECH MAN; 09-11-2019 at 03:52 PM.