Front End Suspension, NHRA Rule Question - Page 4

1320racer · 09-13-2013, 06:23 PM

Alf does not have a website/blog/catalog, etc. There's no checking out his stuff and getting prices other than speaking to and looking over the cars of racers using his stuff. Alf builds a limited number of kits a year after payment in full is received.

Chipper Chapman · 09-13-2013, 11:24 PM

My car had the old school bushing trick, but when a bolt backed out and so did the bushing I decided it was time to make it right with global wests. I was concerned with wheter theyre shafts would be legal or so I used my stock shafts. Also it does not have any weibe chassis parts, and I have no intention of changing because it works excellent as is. Someday it may become a problem as power levels increase yes, but not anytime in the near future.

J&S Racing · 09-14-2013, 12:02 AM

After all my research, I went with...
Afco steel bushings
Afco low friction ball joints
Global West shafts
Speed Tech bump steer kit and solid body bushings
I spent a lot of time paying attention to the big wheelstand cars. There was no other option, Santhuff shocks and Landrum spings to finish the front.

Jeff Lee · 09-14-2013, 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer

Alf does not have a website/blog/catalog, etc. There's no checking out his stuff and getting prices other than speaking to and looking over the cars of racers using his stuff. Alf builds a limited number of kits a year after payment in full is received.

Then basically, your promoting a "club" that maybe you get into, maybe you don't. I'm quite sure everything that Alf makes is top-notch but if a newbie can't locate him and I don't see a phone number listed, and even if you did contact him he only builds limited production then it may as well be a fantasy.

SStockDart · 09-14-2013, 12:26 AM

Is ALF an Indian (the country) Company?

Alf Engineering Pvt Ltd is a leading OE manufacturer of automotive Chassis, and currently manufactures over 1200 frames/day from its plants across India.

SStockDart · 09-14-2013, 12:39 AM

Never mind the India country.....I believe you are talking about Alf Wiebe suspension parts.

One comment I found:
yes the kit is designed for completely stock bolt on suspensions, but also i think a lot of people overlook the horsepower levels its designed for, i have yet to see anyone mention its limitations in that category. it is basically designed as a ladder bar conversion, the upper arms are converted into a wishbone locator, that does nothing but hold the rear laterally. this really short ic makes the car hit the tires extremely hard and therefore will get a heavy low hp(600 or less) car moving FAST. theres on universally disliked individual that has been running alfs suspension for a while and loves to post pictures of his car with the front end 6' in the air running mid tens. if he put more power to the car, it would get a lot harder to tame. it would either hit the tires hard enough to spin them or make the car want to stand up way to high.

But, this seems to talk about rear suspension that is a replacement for stock rear suspension. I believe the thread is about front suspension.

It really doesn't matter to me. If you believe that you have he best stuff....go with it. I certainly will not try to sell you on what I use, I know it works for my cars, but might not for yours.

RULER · 09-14-2013, 12:44 AM

Didn't ALF have a TV. show a few years back, wasn't he some kind of alien???????

Andy Friar · 09-14-2013, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J&S Racing

After all my research, I went with...
Afco steel bushings
Afco low friction ball joints
Global West shafts
Speed Tech bump steer kit and solid body bushings
I spent a lot of time paying attention to the big wheelstand cars. There was no other option, Santhuff shocks and Landrum spings to finish the front.

Thanks, I am going to do my full study and do something similar. Buying parts and pieces that are the best balance of performance & price.

Andy Friar · 09-14-2013, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sstockdart

never mind the india country.....i believe you are talking about alf wiebe suspension parts.

One comment i found:
Yes the kit is designed for completely stock bolt on suspensions, but also i think a lot of people overlook the horsepower levels its designed for, i have yet to see anyone mention its limitations in that category. It is basically designed as a ladder bar conversion, the upper arms are converted into a wishbone locator, that does nothing but hold the rear laterally. This really short ic makes the car hit the tires extremely hard and therefore will get a heavy low hp(600 or less) car moving fast. Theres on universally disliked individual that has been running alfs suspension for a while and loves to post pictures of his car with the front end 6' in the air running mid tens. If he put more power to the car, it would get a lot harder to tame. It would either hit the tires hard enough to spin them or make the car want to stand up way to high.

But, this seems to talk about rear suspension that is a replacement for stock rear suspension. I believe the thread is about front suspension.

It really doesn't matter to me. If you believe that you have he best stuff....go with it. I certainly will not try to sell you on what i use, i know it works for my cars, but might not for yours.

Thanks for the input. Underlying message received from you, the others who have posted on here, and the pm's I have received. I have a build thread on this car and will be updating as progress is made.

Run to Rund · 09-14-2013, 09:38 AM

Most people remove old bushings with a blunt air chisel after putting rust penetrant on the areas where the bushings are pressed onto the arms. It is fairly common for the holes in the arms to be a little out of square, either factory, from use, or after removing the old bushings. You will find out when you try the solid steel bushings; bushings with soft inserts mask the issue. You may have to open up the holes in the arms a little, tack weld the outer bushing sleeves, and check for alignment with a 1/2" rod and the inner sleeves. Then you bend the ends of the arms until alignment is perfect. Upper arm bushings are often one piece and you just weld the bushings in as best you can, after opening up the holes in the arms enough to achieve perfect alignment. Press fit is OK if you end up with perfect alignment, and that may not happen. Use either high pressure chassis grease or moly cam lube on the friction surfaces.

09-13-2013, 06:23 PM	#31
1320racer VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,628 Likes: 160 Liked 759 Times in 379 Posts	Re: Front End Suspension, NHRA Rule Question Alf does not have a website/blog/catalog, etc. There's no checking out his stuff and getting prices other than speaking to and looking over the cars of racers using his stuff. Alf builds a limited number of kits a year after payment in full is received. Last edited by 1320racer; 09-13-2013 at 06:29 PM.

09-13-2013, 11:24 PM	#32
Chipper Chapman Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Belmont N.S. Canada Posts: 473 Likes: 246 Liked 166 Times in 71 Posts	Re: Front End Suspension, NHRA Rule Question My car had the old school bushing trick, but when a bolt backed out and so did the bushing I decided it was time to make it right with global wests. I was concerned with wheter theyre shafts would be legal or so I used my stock shafts. Also it does not have any weibe chassis parts, and I have no intention of changing because it works excellent as is. Someday it may become a problem as power levels increase yes, but not anytime in the near future. __________________ Chris Chapman 1969 Chevelle NHRA F-G/SA 1090

09-14-2013, 12:02 AM	#33
J&S Racing Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 283 Likes: 102 Liked 319 Times in 82 Posts	Re: Front End Suspension, NHRA Rule Question After all my research, I went with... Afco steel bushings Afco low friction ball joints Global West shafts Speed Tech bump steer kit and solid body bushings I spent a lot of time paying attention to the big wheelstand cars. There was no other option, Santhuff shocks and Landrum spings to finish the front.

09-14-2013, 12:26 AM	#35
SStockDart VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Arizona, Texan forever Posts: 1,176 Likes: 879 Liked 574 Times in 212 Posts	Re: Front End Suspension, NHRA Rule Question Is ALF an Indian (the country) Company? Alf Engineering Pvt Ltd is a leading OE manufacturer of automotive Chassis, and currently manufactures over 1200 frames/day from its plants across India. __________________ Gary Hansen - SS/FA 4911, B/SA 4911

09-14-2013, 12:39 AM	#36
SStockDart VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Arizona, Texan forever Posts: 1,176 Likes: 879 Liked 574 Times in 212 Posts	Re: Front End Suspension, NHRA Rule Question Never mind the India country.....I believe you are talking about Alf Wiebe suspension parts. One comment I found: yes the kit is designed for completely stock bolt on suspensions, but also i think a lot of people overlook the horsepower levels its designed for, i have yet to see anyone mention its limitations in that category. it is basically designed as a ladder bar conversion, the upper arms are converted into a wishbone locator, that does nothing but hold the rear laterally. this really short ic makes the car hit the tires extremely hard and therefore will get a heavy low hp(600 or less) car moving FAST. theres on universally disliked individual that has been running alfs suspension for a while and loves to post pictures of his car with the front end 6' in the air running mid tens. if he put more power to the car, it would get a lot harder to tame. it would either hit the tires hard enough to spin them or make the car want to stand up way to high. But, this seems to talk about rear suspension that is a replacement for stock rear suspension. I believe the thread is about front suspension. It really doesn't matter to me. If you believe that you have he best stuff....go with it. I certainly will not try to sell you on what I use, I know it works for my cars, but might not for yours. __________________ Gary Hansen - SS/FA 4911, B/SA 4911

09-14-2013, 12:44 AM	#37
RULER Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 221 Likes: 15 Liked 58 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Front End Suspension, NHRA Rule Question Didn't ALF have a TV. show a few years back, wasn't he some kind of alien???????

09-14-2013, 09:38 AM	#40
Run to Rund Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 583 Likes: 8 Liked 54 Times in 27 Posts	Re: Front End Suspension, NHRA Rule Question Most people remove old bushings with a blunt air chisel after putting rust penetrant on the areas where the bushings are pressed onto the arms. It is fairly common for the holes in the arms to be a little out of square, either factory, from use, or after removing the old bushings. You will find out when you try the solid steel bushings; bushings with soft inserts mask the issue. You may have to open up the holes in the arms a little, tack weld the outer bushing sleeves, and check for alignment with a 1/2" rod and the inner sleeves. Then you bend the ends of the arms until alignment is perfect. Upper arm bushings are often one piece and you just weld the bushings in as best you can, after opening up the holes in the arms enough to achieve perfect alignment. Press fit is OK if you end up with perfect alignment, and that may not happen. Use either high pressure chassis grease or moly cam lube on the friction surfaces.