Sportsman Council phone conference Tonight! - Page 4

Chris Williams · 08-28-2010, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by billy leber

when racing two cars , why does one have to pay the insurance twice? there is only one of me.

You could plow the one car into someone else, cause havoc, but walk away, climb into the other car and do the same.

CBS jr · 08-30-2010, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by billy leber

when racing two cars , why does one have to pay the insurance twice? there is only one of me.

Billy... the other is for your shadow. see ya soon lol

TS310C · 08-30-2010, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by John Mason

Why would you ask for diapers on ALL cars? Who suggested that as a good idea?

1. Anyone that does not want to get in your oil or wait for clean up after you window your oil pan!

2. Anyone that doesn't want to get hit by you when you get loose from getting in your own oil after you window your oil pan.

3. Any racer that doesn't want to crash their own car when they window their oil pan.

Because no matter how good of a motor you have, things happen and there is nothing you can do to control it.

Seat belts are difficult to fit in some cars too, but you put them in anyway because they are a safety item. Same deal here.

Ed Fernandez · 08-30-2010, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TS310C

1. Anyone that does not want to get in your oil or wait for clean up after you window your oil pan!

2. Anyone that doesn't want to get hit by you when you get loose from getting in your own oil after you window your oil pan.

3. Any racer that doesn't want to crash their own car when they window their oil pan.

Because no matter how good of a motor you have, things happen and there is nothing you can do to control it.

Seat belts are difficult to fit in some cars too, but you put them in anyway because they are a safety item. Same deal here.

I face those situations everyday driving on the roads here in NJ,especially the NJ Turnpike.Maybe all cars should have them from the assembly line.

TS310C · 08-30-2010, 06:34 PM

I haven't heard of too many high speed wrecks on the highway from oil spills. LOL

Ed Fernandez · 08-30-2010, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TS310C

I haven't heard of too many high speed wrecks on the highway from oil spills. LOL

Come to NJ,bumper car capital of the world.

Rollins_2241 · 08-31-2010, 01:22 PM

Rhetorical question: Are any of the SRAC reps for the Super classes driving cars NOT capable of running more than 1.5 seconds under the current indices?

Lowering class indexes accomplishes nothing but locking out otherwise valid entries, a disproportionate number of those being newer racers, who tend to be the lower-HP and budget-conscious. In an era where the economics are already very challenging and car counts are dropping in most divisions and classes, that's the last thing we should do.

Chris Williams · 08-31-2010, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rollins_2241

Rhetorical question: Are any of the SRAC reps for the Super classes driving cars NOT capable of running more than 1.5 seconds under the current indices?

Lowering class indexes accomplishes nothing but locking out otherwise valid entries, a disproportionate number of those being newer racers, who tend to be the lower-HP and budget-conscious. In an era where the economics are already very challenging and car counts are dropping in most divisions and classes, that's the last thing we should do.

I respectfully disagree. Lowering the indexes means cars are on the stop for a significantly shorter time, which in turn accomplishes a number of things:

1) It reduces the advantage of the big$/bigHP person because the tortoise/hare game is much closer. This then reduces the desire to outspend the next guy.

2) It can help with the leakage from SC to TD (and SG to TS) because the people who want to run faster can still do it in the Super classes.

3) It makes the racing more challenging and fun, because faster means harder to judge at the stripe.

4) It makes the Super classes far more palatable to the average fan who complains about the long "idling" or "coasting" that they do. The shorter the time on the stop, the better.

Finally, I'm not sure the $$ spend to run SC or SG is really causing much of an issue these days. It's pretty hard to find a car that couldn't run 7.90 (or 8.90) in these classes these days. Perhaps that's an issue in Super Street, but I don't think it is in SC or SG.

Ron Finney · 08-31-2010, 03:24 PM

Chris,

I get what you are saying however that is only a temporary change....Engines keep getting bigger, Pro stock technology keeps trickling down...so in just a few short years the differential will be right back, just faster overall......I think the best idea is to leave it alone....I think eventually it will fix itself.....the fast guys will get bored and move up.....the slow guys want to go faster and eventually do.....then you have parity.....and the best part is it still makes it viable for the lower budgets....which given the economy, isn't a bad thing.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it!!! See ya all this week at the big go!!! Headed back to the Motorhome now.......

Rollins_2241 · 08-31-2010, 03:32 PM

I don't buy either 1) or 3), because the real challenge is in MPH differential, not absolute MPH. Kicking out the slower cars would just mean the fastest cars have fewer chances to face a 20+ MPH closure rate, at which point the tortoise and hare become more equal.

The worst place you can be in a Super race is 10 MPH slower than everyone else on the ladder (funny, that's where I usually am in a 162 MPH dragster (8.20 all out) or 129 MPH door car (10.20 all out)). I can't do anything about my new "advantages" you claim if I'm on the sideline, and I'm fine with continuing to face the challenges I have now - it makes me a better racer, especially when I go back to ET racing. I also do NOT favor speed limits in Super classes for the same reasons.

As to 2) and 4), I can't speak for every racer or fan, but the MPH is only 4-5 slower on the stop than all out - it's the ET that may be attractive to Top racers. And I have yet to hear a fan say "they look weird and broke off the starting line, but I'd be a lot more interested if they looked broke for 2 seconds less".

Even if every point was unassailable, would it be worth closing the door to the lowest-budget racers when the goal of NHRA is to grow the sport?

08-30-2010, 06:34 PM	#35
TS310C Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Morton, IL Posts: 323 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Sportsman Council phone conference Tonight! I haven't heard of too many high speed wrecks on the highway from oil spills. LOL __________________ Ryan Koener S/G 310C

08-31-2010, 01:22 PM	#37
Rollins_2241 Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 170 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Sportsman Council phone conference Tonight! Rhetorical question: Are any of the SRAC reps for the Super classes driving cars NOT capable of running more than 1.5 seconds under the current indices? Lowering class indexes accomplishes nothing but locking out otherwise valid entries, a disproportionate number of those being newer racers, who tend to be the lower-HP and budget-conscious. In an era where the economics are already very challenging and car counts are dropping in most divisions and classes, that's the last thing we should do.

08-31-2010, 03:24 PM	#39
Ron Finney Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Greenwood, IN Posts: 168 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Sportsman Council phone conference Tonight! Chris, I get what you are saying however that is only a temporary change....Engines keep getting bigger, Pro stock technology keeps trickling down...so in just a few short years the differential will be right back, just faster overall......I think the best idea is to leave it alone....I think eventually it will fix itself.....the fast guys will get bored and move up.....the slow guys want to go faster and eventually do.....then you have parity.....and the best part is it still makes it viable for the lower budgets....which given the economy, isn't a bad thing. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!!! See ya all this week at the big go!!! Headed back to the Motorhome now....... __________________ Ron Finney 396V S/C

08-31-2010, 03:32 PM	#40
Rollins_2241 Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 170 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Sportsman Council phone conference Tonight! I don't buy either 1) or 3), because the real challenge is in MPH differential, not absolute MPH. Kicking out the slower cars would just mean the fastest cars have fewer chances to face a 20+ MPH closure rate, at which point the tortoise and hare become more equal. The worst place you can be in a Super race is 10 MPH slower than everyone else on the ladder (funny, that's where I usually am in a 162 MPH dragster (8.20 all out) or 129 MPH door car (10.20 all out)). I can't do anything about my new "advantages" you claim if I'm on the sideline, and I'm fine with continuing to face the challenges I have now - it makes me a better racer, especially when I go back to ET racing. I also do NOT favor speed limits in Super classes for the same reasons. As to 2) and 4), I can't speak for every racer or fan, but the MPH is only 4-5 slower on the stop than all out - it's the ET that may be attractive to Top racers. And I have yet to hear a fan say "they look weird and broke off the starting line, but I'd be a lot more interested if they looked broke for 2 seconds less". Even if every point was unassailable, would it be worth closing the door to the lowest-budget racers when the goal of NHRA is to grow the sport?