Wes Libby - Page 4

Frank Bialas · 08-05-2008, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank Bialas

CAN'T find the bag, the one with the money in it for that new combo, and as far as the hemi combination goes, I haven't seen it yet but I understand that HENSEN has put together a GTX which will be INTERESTING-[understatement].Looking at E-body still looks like the better choice.

Just found out that the HEMI-GTX of Hensen has been sold and should be at INDY with it's new owner which should be interesting -[understatement]. Looking at E-body still looks like the better choice.

Bruce Noland · 08-06-2008, 09:42 AM

Okay, this thread keeps on hanging in there and now I'm a little curious about the rule in question.

I'm not saying any one has broken any rules and I'm certainly not thinking about palying any weight games.

But, where does an infraction like this belong in the grand scheme of Stock/Super Stock racing? Is it enough to get thrown out for a year or just bounced from a race? Or a serious lecture from Bruce?

Chuck Norton · 08-07-2008, 09:36 AM

Bruce, I seem to recall that someone, at some event was pitched for that event for intentionally by-passing the scale or fuel check. It seems that some unfortunate souls have even been summarily tossed out for not weighing following a catastrophic mechanical failure that resulted in being towed off the track. Talk about a double disappointment!

Of course, even the professionals are not exempt from the requirement to weigh unless specifically directed to drive by weight or fuel check. Tony Shumacher was DQ'd at Las Vegas during eliminations for just that reason.

A simple ejection from the event is one thing but there is also the question of what happens to a run that qualifies as a trigger for the AHFS? Should it be counted as a trigger automatically after procedures are violated? Is it grounds for an automatic horsepower penalty to attempt an end run to void an otherwise legitimate trigger? Is that fair to other competitors with the same combination? Should racers be policing other racers?

One thing seems certain. There needs to be adequate supervision of the scale/fuel check area to prevent uncertainties from arising.

Bruce Noland · 08-07-2008, 06:57 PM

Chuck,

Thank you for posting the best explanation that I have read on this issue.

Dan Fletcher · 08-08-2008, 08:42 AM

there needs to be a consistent enforcement of the rules, and for the most part I think there is, but...

and let me preface this with a big, fat I REALLY DON'T CARE...I DON'T KNOW THE GUY...I WORRY ABOUT MYSELF AND RECOMMEND OTHERS DO THE SAME...

I'm just reporting a simple statement of fact. Kelly Thomas was in the other lane when I made my first time trial in stock eliminator at the Sonoma divisional. We got to the end of the track, and while everyone else went to the left for fuel check and scales, he hung a right and did not. Period. End of story. He was DQ'd from the run, not the event. That's not the way I read the rulebook.

I'm sure there is some logical reason for his actions, and I would like to think we would all be shown the same consideration and discretion by those in charge should a similar situation arise in the future.

Could I spin this in anymore of a politically correct fashion?

Greg Barsamian · 08-08-2008, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank Bialas

Just found out that the HEMI-GTX of Hensen has been sold and should be at INDY with it's new owner which should be interesting -[understatement]. Looking at E-body still looks like the better choice.

Yo Firecracker, You DO know someone that can provide you with the Elephant castings you need!
But he'd probably want you to put a schitk in it!
Sg

Frank Bialas · 08-08-2008, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg Barsamian

Yo Firecracker, You DO know someone that can provide you with the Elephant castings you need!
But he'd probably want you to put a schitk in it!
Sg

Hey Greg how da **-k r u, I have no or less experience with an elephant than with a 6-pak! But it is food for thought. I guess if I can get that bag o money bak from Dilcher I'll give it a shot, you are the 3rd person to entertain the elephant !!! So we'd be dancing in A, either way E-BODY OR A has to be better than where I'm at now.

Bruce Noland · 08-09-2008, 08:11 AM

It sounds like the guys working the scales were asleep at the switch for at least two guys to get by them without serious consequences.

In Division 1 the runs would have been put on the sheet. National event or Division race the D1 guys are all over the fuel check and scales.

Dan Fletcher · 08-09-2008, 08:34 AM

I can only speak for the episode I was party to...

The officials DID catch it. I hadn't even gotten to the scales when one D7 person approached me and asked me for the number of the guy I raced that they observed go the other way off the track..NOT the way one would proceed to fuel check and scales...

His run was DQ'd. I do not know if there was any further admonishmont.

Bruce Noland · 08-09-2008, 09:43 AM

Dan,

I'm glad you added the additional info about being approached for information about the racer who bypassed the scales.

In your earlier post you mentioned that being disqualified for passing the scales may not be the same punishment that is required by the nhra rules. What is the rule for bypassing the scales? I have never seen it.

08-06-2008, 09:42 AM	#32
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Wes Libby Okay, this thread keeps on hanging in there and now I'm a little curious about the rule in question. I'm not saying any one has broken any rules and I'm certainly not thinking about palying any weight games. But, where does an infraction like this belong in the grand scheme of Stock/Super Stock racing? Is it enough to get thrown out for a year or just bounced from a race? Or a serious lecture from Bruce? __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

08-07-2008, 09:36 AM	#33
Chuck Norton Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Covina, CA Posts: 474 Likes: 106 Liked 89 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Wes Libby Bruce, I seem to recall that someone, at some event was pitched for that event for intentionally by-passing the scale or fuel check. It seems that some unfortunate souls have even been summarily tossed out for not weighing following a catastrophic mechanical failure that resulted in being towed off the track. Talk about a double disappointment! Of course, even the professionals are not exempt from the requirement to weigh unless specifically directed to drive by weight or fuel check. Tony Shumacher was DQ'd at Las Vegas during eliminations for just that reason. A simple ejection from the event is one thing but there is also the question of what happens to a run that qualifies as a trigger for the AHFS? Should it be counted as a trigger automatically after procedures are violated? Is it grounds for an automatic horsepower penalty to attempt an end run to void an otherwise legitimate trigger? Is that fair to other competitors with the same combination? Should racers be policing other racers? One thing seems certain. There needs to be adequate supervision of the scale/fuel check area to prevent uncertainties from arising.

08-07-2008, 06:57 PM	#34
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Wes Libby Chuck, Thank you for posting the best explanation that I have read on this issue. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

08-08-2008, 08:42 AM	#35
Dan Fletcher Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Churchville, NY Posts: 492 Likes: 128 Liked 1,043 Times in 70 Posts	Re: Wes Libby there needs to be a consistent enforcement of the rules, and for the most part I think there is, but... and let me preface this with a big, fat I REALLY DON'T CARE...I DON'T KNOW THE GUY...I WORRY ABOUT MYSELF AND RECOMMEND OTHERS DO THE SAME... I'm just reporting a simple statement of fact. Kelly Thomas was in the other lane when I made my first time trial in stock eliminator at the Sonoma divisional. We got to the end of the track, and while everyone else went to the left for fuel check and scales, he hung a right and did not. Period. End of story. He was DQ'd from the run, not the event. That's not the way I read the rulebook. I'm sure there is some logical reason for his actions, and I would like to think we would all be shown the same consideration and discretion by those in charge should a similar situation arise in the future. Could I spin this in anymore of a politically correct fashion? __________________ Dan Fletcher 1781 STK, SS, COMP, SG, SC DAN FLETCHER TRAILER SALES

08-09-2008, 08:11 AM	#38
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Wes Libby It sounds like the guys working the scales were asleep at the switch for at least two guys to get by them without serious consequences. In Division 1 the runs would have been put on the sheet. National event or Division race the D1 guys are all over the fuel check and scales. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

08-09-2008, 08:34 AM	#39
Dan Fletcher Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Churchville, NY Posts: 492 Likes: 128 Liked 1,043 Times in 70 Posts	Re: Wes Libby I can only speak for the episode I was party to... The officials DID catch it. I hadn't even gotten to the scales when one D7 person approached me and asked me for the number of the guy I raced that they observed go the other way off the track..NOT the way one would proceed to fuel check and scales... His run was DQ'd. I do not know if there was any further admonishmont. __________________ Dan Fletcher 1781 STK, SS, COMP, SG, SC DAN FLETCHER TRAILER SALES

08-09-2008, 09:43 AM	#40
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Wes Libby Dan, I'm glad you added the additional info about being approached for information about the racer who bypassed the scales. In your earlier post you mentioned that being disqualified for passing the scales may not be the same punishment that is required by the nhra rules. What is the rule for bypassing the scales? I have never seen it. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK