NHRA Fastest 128 cars

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

Mr. Kasch is correct! You guys who have been racing only a few years and think you know it all couldn't be farther from being right. You are giving NHRA a ticket to eliminate class racing. If you will class at an event, no matter how, you deserve to be in the show! If NHRA doesn't run class at an event they save $100 per class for the cost of the trophy. See where this is going? Sportsman, Pro and Super Pro ET.Jim

Jim, I seriously doubt NHRA gives $100 per class trophy. Maybe $25. The one we got wasn't even put together right.

Are we really sure it is fair to tell a guy who runs .80+ under he has to go home to let in a guy who singled for class and ran .55 under?

I'm not sure that having the fastest 128 cars in the field and not letting class winners bump in is the death knell of class racing.

[Jack Matyas]

Kenny - Santa has always known who has been naughty .............By the way -- build a GT500 --next time you speak with Evan ask him about my Ford background .

Alan-- You're right on the money ! ! ! the faster car is way more deserving .

Jim -- $100 for the class trophy -- you've eaten way too many Gator burgers .Better lay off that stuff.

[Jim Wahl]

Ok, but I was told by NHRA many years ago when I tried to get an additional trophy for a sponsor that NHRA paid right at $100 each for the Wally. Are you guys saying NHRA lied to me?

I don't eat gator burgers, I eat gator tail! Jim

[Terry Cain]

Let me get this straight,
2 cars in the class.

during qualifying
Car A has run a best of 1.0 under
Car B has run a best of .75 under

For class, Car A red-lights. Car B wins class and will probably not make the field (bump is usually .9+ under.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by TCain

Let me get this straight,
2 cars in the class.

during qualifying
Car A has run a best of 1.0 under
Car B has run a best of .75 under

For class, Car A red-lights. Car B wins class and will probably not make the field (bump is usually .9+ under.

On the flip side, and with all due respect Terry, under the previous system, let me get THIS straight:

Car A competes for the class win against 4-5 other cars, runs 12.50 or quicker, and runs more than .85 under, does NOT win class, however, does qualify as one of the 128 quickest cars.

Car B singles for class, runs 15.0 or slower, and barely runs 0.51 under the index, and does NOT qualify as one of the 128 quickest cars, but in fact is 168th out of 180 cars.

Car A is sent home with a DNQ, Car B bumps into the field as a "class winner".

We went to Indy last year, and I hung my head in shame as we posted a DNQ with a weak engine. But there were cars that were over 2 tenths slower than us who got in, and guys in our class who were faster and got sent home. We didn't get in on time, I can accept that, and I bear the responsibility for that. But the guys who got in on time and then got bumped by cars 3 tenths slower got cheated I think.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

On the flip side, and with all due respect Terry, under the previous system, let me get THIS straight:

Car A competes for the class win against 4-5 other cars, runs 12.50 or quicker, and runs more than .85 under, does NOT win class, however, does qualify as one of the 128 quickest cars.

Car B singles for class, runs 15.0 or slower, and barely runs 0.51 under the index, and does NOT qualify as one of the 128 quickest cars, but in fact is 168th out of 180 cars.

Car A is sent home with a DNQ, Car B bumps into the field as a "class winner".

We went to Indy last year, and I hung my head in shame as we posted a DNQ with a weak engine. But there were cars that were over 2 tenths slower than us who got in, and guys in our class who were faster and got sent home. We didn't get in on time, I can accept that, and I bear the responsibility for that. But the guys who got in on time and then got bumped by cars 3 tenths slower got cheated I think.

Whenever this argument comes up it some people like to use the slwer indexed cars as an example of the unfairness of the system.Us poor unwashed throgolites either cant afford or are unwilling to spend our retirement money to get in a pissing contest with some (not all) of the upper indexed cars.So we build the slower cars because they are maybe 1)cheaper to build and maintain 2)are less class populated 3)and fun to drive,especially when putting out some of the toterhome,stacker,filet mignon crew.Not all are but there is an element of them with more money than common sense.
I personally could care less about what NHRA does in this situation because I'll probably never attend Indy,but I think class winners shold get first preference.


Ed F,
Possibly 1.00 under in good weather
with a 30 mph tail wind.

[TOM KASCH]

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r2007#indextop 2007 indy stk quilfhttp://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=144534&Filter=Year2007#indextop 2007 indy ss quil


I'm saying 2-3 more years of stock racing as we know it for the last 30 years, is that good or bad.
It depends on how much MONEY you have, not all class bye runs were by slow cars..[fwd& r/and lower classes

[Bob Mulry]

As usual, the "MANAGEMENT" of NHRA got it wrong. With the stroke of a pen, they eliminated a 54 year old tradition at INDY.

For you guys that have only been around long enough for a cup of coffee and a sandwich ALL eliminators used to class winners vs. class winners. You didn't race in the eliminators if you didn't win class, and as far as class goes, the NHRA "MANAGEMENT" wouldn't know what class was even if it hit them in the face.

I hope that NHRA will survive this group of "MANAGEMENT" thugs who don't give a crap about MY SPORT.

Was this brainstorm of the "MANAGEMENT" discussed with our Racer Representatives or are the Racer Reps just another layer to insulate the "MANAGEMENT" from the racers.

Since people only tend to do the things that benefit themselves, you are forced to ask the question "What's in it for the "MANAGEMENT" of NHRA"?????

How will this change benefit the racers??

Bob


My racing partner, Rich, said that this was written for the intelligent so I will dumb it down.....



PS for the dummies.............


1.....You build a car by the rules that will go as fast as possible.
2.....Go race heads up (Class Racing).
3.....Tow to INDY to see if you can compete with other cars from all over the country heads up.
4.....Earn your way into the Eliminator by winning heads-up races.
5.....Give the racers who didn't win class a second way in based on ET.
6.....Don't punish a racer for a single in class. Just because people avoided the race.
7.....Don't go to INDY if you can't win class or go fast
8.....Work on your car or change cars and then go back to INDY.
9.....Don't go to INDY if you can't win class or go fast
10....Don't change the sport for your own self interest.
11....There is only ONE INDY PER YEAR.
12....GO FAST, WIN CLASS OR DON"T GO TO INDY.
13....Get it
14....If not then build a Quick 16 car. NO CLASS JUST ET.

[Mark Yacavone]

Bob is correct. This is a new management decision, for sure .

You guys who think Wally was just in it for the money ,are mistaken.

About 10 years ago, I was told ,by a veteran racer ,who usually knew what he was talking about, was that Wally was the only thing keeping Stock intact ,as we know it. Wally was a traditionalist.

Now Wally's gone, and I'll be damned, what do you know?

[Mark Yacavone]

[QUOTE=Alan Roehrich;75250]Jim, I seriously doubt NHRA gives $100 per class trophy. Maybe $25. The one we got wasn't even put together right.

Are we really sure it is fair to tell a guy who runs .80+ under he has to go home to let in a guy who singled for class and ran .55 under?

Yes ,it is. That .55 under car just might be the the most legal, by the books, Stocker on the grounds.