index lowering

[Cglrcng]

Fast guys gonna and want to go fast. In all classes. The best solution is not to kill the rest of the category. Leave me my shoe polish and leave me alone, as I am not your problem or issue. The faster the guy is in the other lane the more my juices are flowing as you look like a rocket/missle/and bullet all rolled into 1 as we start dancing together at the stripe. It is what excites me most as I have certainly "Embraced the Slow" along with your Fast!

Your issue is with the AHFS period...So, ask instead that the AHFS trigger point be raised thst 3 tenths. Then it benefits all classes in the category for all that go really fast. And it hurts nobody.

Lobby instead the trigger point be 1.60 instead of 1.30. Issue resolved until and except for the 2 second under gang.

And if you are running that fast it should be in Super Stock anyway. Lol.

[Bobby Fazio]

This is a little more complicated than a yes or no broad brush ruling. It would need to be looked at closely and probably have some statistical analysis to go behind it. Stk & SS will show different numbers of course. Some classes have sticks and autos where the auto gets a generous break. I'll use my SS/L index 11.25 as an example while SS/LA is 11.45. Some classes have the same index for both. L/SA and L/S are both 12.70 after a small .05 jump from K/SA while the jump from J/SA to K/SA is .20. Going down the alphabet, sometimes the jump is .15-.20ish and then it's .05 or .10 so some indexes don't really make sense either. Draginsights Analytics tab shows the quickest runs made in each class since 2015.

[Rory McNeil]

Originally Posted by Frank Castros

Buy a Stocker or convert your beautiful Firebird back to Super Stock and let your talented son race among the best of this forum and prove you belong.

But Frank, it`s not his talented son out here constantly beating his chest about the successes he has had, it`s the father, that I imagine pays the bills, but has never actually accomplished much himself, let alone all the wins, Wallys and championships HE is always bragging about. If you type Ed Bigley in Drag Race Central, about all I have ever seen is maybe a couple of round wins at Bracket Finals races years ago.

[James Perrone]

Leave the indexes alone
Bring Back?..:: Mineshaft
When the weathers good
Everyone Goes Fast

[Larry Hill]

The AHFS would work better if NHRA would follow its own rules on Horsepower reduction. When a combination qualifies for a horsepower reduction it is based on a years worth of performance. All of the T's have been crossed and the I's have been dotted and it 100% satisfies all of the requirements for HP reduction and then This happens:

The decision to adjust horsepower or to increase the index will be at the discretion of the AHFS Committee.

A years worth of effort and playing by the rules goes down the drain. From my experience it will help make a ''Dog'' a little more competitive. The car won't be able to win a heads up run with the fast car but they can?t be real late.

After you move up on the qualifying sheet and start feeling better about your combination it starts: I wonder if I changed this how much would it help?

So what is the best combination for most of us? A fast car with an average driver or great driver in an average car?

[J.R. Haddad]

Our current system seems to have contradictions in it. If your average is above -.85 and you have 2 runs over -1.00, you're going too fast, and you
will be slowed down as you will be penalized with extra HP, which will
equate to adding weight. So, if you can -.85, and maybe get 2 hits in
mineshaft conditions, you're penalized. So, how fast do you have to go
to get instantly penalized? -1.30!! That is .45 faster that the average the
system thinks is too fast. Almost a 1/2 second variation, doesn't make
good common sense. The program needs to be tightened up, and made
easier on the investors(Racers). We need to quit penalizing hard work and have our racers walking on eggshells. The average after 2 hits should be
raised to -.1.00, the automatic hit lowered back to -1.20, and all cars are
AHFS exempt in A) Class runoffs, B) all Sportsnational type of races,
and C) Indy. S/SS are supposed to be performance classes, let us showcase our hard work and investment more often. Leave the indexes alone, it only hurts the people trying to enjoy their sport on a budget.

J.R.

[Barry Polley]

Jim, the text I received from a fellow racer was letting me know what was being discussed at the track . To my knowledge no texts were sent out regarding indexes..

M

Originally Posted by Cglrcng

It means their indexes need adjustment, not all class indexes. Who received a text? I paid my dues, I paid my entry fees, am at the track now, and still in the pits currently...I have received no texts and my phone/text number is on the tech card that was electronically submitted to NHRA for this LODRS event.

I will ck. My email next. That address is also listed on that same Tech Card.

Or are only certain fast guys participating or invited to participate in such a poll? All memberships are equal, we all pay the same price to join/ be a member, and same price to compete.

It is performance based. That is why there is an AHFS. You earn the hit, or are afraid to earn the HP hit, that is a choice each faces alone. If I earn it I will take it willingly...until then, that is my choice, and believe it or not...it is my short term goal, but I have far to achieve that goal, but those are my goals, with my car...Please leave me to accomplish them in my time only and within my budget.

The Stock Category and Classes are not dying...There are well over 500 stockers out there across the country actively running in 2024 just look at the current National Standings/points chase listing of points (contrary to 1320 posts)...Don't kill it by blanket lowering indexes willy/nilly 3 tenths please.

Please add my no vote to any poll Matt.

Thanks,

Gary Lucier.

[B Parker]

I'd like to see only a .10 off index and mine shaft conditions. Kind of the best for both worlds. BP

PLEASE DO SOMETHING to bring back some performance.

[Cglrcng]

Originally Posted by JGrossijr

Our division 7 rep is polling at the Vegas race and the word is AHFS would stay the same.
Many agree that AHFS has hurt Stock & Super Stock, and that indexes have not kept pace with technology advances and and rules changes.

Lowering indexes will reduce the impact of AHFS. I think that's a good thing

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Clarity helps at 11:00 PM you mention Div. Reps to me that is an official and that to meant Matt was conducting a poll. If you are talking about the Rules Committee I know where to find their info for contact when I get home because as I am done thrashing here at the track until this all blows over and is decided since I know I cannot just magically find horsepower and buy more and through a lot of hard work I have to manufacture it myself with this under powered tiny tot. NHRA started my mission in 1993 at 110, dropped me back after a review to factory in Spring of 1996 to a diet goal I had no clue at the time to reach (it took 25 years of research and a whole lot of rules changes in the book finally open to me to get it...the weight off and moved into the right places to perform crappy at altitude and quite ok at sea level ...still not stellar but I cannot race at sea level much.

The O.P. wast texted by Div. Rep., 2nd poster said Div. 7 Rep. (my bad gentlemen I assumed that was Matt).

Div. Reps are officials please use names since their positions are official as this is an Association we all are members of so the rest of us also are or can be included in the conversation and same for any polling by using official channels as that is critical. It is just nice to know who to lobby and whose wheels need greasing or is about to be greased, and who's is about to get locked up tight as a drum.

As he is only polling certain people as I have been out here since Tuesday evening and I am not that hard to find. I have a lot of history not on index dropping but HP additions and it is all the same in the end the HP/weight carried. Someone wants to instantly send me back to 1993 and my very 1st pass in the car, I will get vocal.

Or I'll lay down, die and come back to specifically haunt everyone who had a hand in ruining my golden years.

If the issue is the AHFS go after that so it is solved fairly from top down for every class in the categories.

Data isn't just recent, the data is historical and goes back a lot further Bobby. And one thing NHRA has is mountains of historical data...They know the answers, sometimes they do not like sharing it though. Sometimes it is embarrassing and you know how they feel about lawsuit threats (or even the thought of the possibility in our overly used litigation world), even though all members agree and are prohibited from filing any, and we all know where to find
that info as it is in that golden book we all have access to.

[Sam Capizzi Jr]

For me this is a horrible idea and would effectively end my days trying to support the class. Ive spent 1000s of dollars (on a shoe string budget) just to try to just and run the damn ss index in the heat. If you wanna keep these classes going and attract new younger racers this isnt the way.

Why in the world would any racer in their 20s-40s spend 10x the money to run stock or ss when they can just put a delay box and throttle stop on the car..

FIX THE SYSTEM! AFHS system needs to use 1/8 mile data, have a mineshaft rule & a hard trigger! Hit the Trigger, Tear down and HP.

lowering the indexes just puts a bandaid on a bigger problem.