NHRA Changes the Rules Today - Page 4

Chuck Beach · 08-21-2012, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by A56

Before I spend 30 minutes of my time, does anyone know off the top of there head what classes the 360 DPs can run and what class the 352 Mustangs can run and what about the 302 Coyote Mustang ?

Mark Lelchook
F/SA #764

Mark, the 360 DP is at 310 HP with a break of 10.32 ... D, E & F
The 352 Stang is at 312 with a break of 10.43 ... D, E & F
The 302 is at 325 with a break of 9.91

Chuck Beach · 08-21-2012, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by A56

So the Coyote is a C/ D / E car then, is Joe Teuton incorrect then about the natural class of the 360 DP, I see it as a natural E car not F ?

Thanks
Mark Lelchook
F/SA #764

That is correct ... your 69 breaks at 10.47 with is a natural E car, my 68 breaks at 10.58 which is a natural F car .. but you already knew that ..

Joseph Teuton · 08-21-2012, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by a56

so the coyote is a c/ d / e car then, is joe teuton incorrect then about the natural class of the 360 dp, i see it as a natural e car not f ?

Thanks
mark lelchook
f/sa #764

yes i forgot that the last hp hit took us out of g/sa. So we are an e/sa car now but we can barely get to max weight for e/sa plus there is already a dp in e/sa. With a 6'4" 280lb driver we cant get to d/sa. Lol

jmcarter · 08-21-2012, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

Typing error being corrected to reflect 3475 for V10. Thanks

Well, at least that sounds somewhat more equal but what about the .400 tree out of the blue? Seems like unfair advantage for the 3 speed cars...plus the FS/S cars will run class using a pro tree and then eliminator using a full tree? I would claim foul on that one even if I had a trans brake and 3 speed...

Andrew Hill · 08-21-2012, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

Mark you probably feel like I did with my 69 6-Pak everytime I rolled up against a 396. I got no help or sympathy from anyone.

That's like comparing a small hill with Mt. Everest.

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That is why I proposed a 5% reduction for all older than 2008. Easy to do on Excel from what people with a higher grade level tell me.

Why reduce the HP on 95% of the cars instead of raising the other 5%?

Ed Wright · 08-21-2012, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Hill

That's like comparing a small hill with Mt. Everest.

Why reduce the HP on 95% of the cars instead of raising the other 5%?

Makes too much sense.

Joseph Teuton · 08-21-2012, 03:33 PM

Why reduce the HP on 95% of the cars instead of raising the other 5%?[/QUOTE]

Because the 95% are the ones complaining. So fix the ones that complaing. =) Plus it's all done by excel so it's just as easy to do 95% as it is to do the 5%.

Just like we are not asking to take away the three speeds from the CJ's and COPO's, we are asking to give us one!

Jeff Teuton · 08-21-2012, 04:03 PM

Your on-the-scene reporter has unraveled the problem. First it's fixed, Thanks NHRA. On May 9, a proposal for the Shootout was done and sent to the manufactureres. The weight was 3575, which was too much. After discussions, it was reduced to 3475 and posted on the tech site on June 18. When the adddition of the pro tree and a couple of other things were done, the weights from May 9 were picked up instead of June 18. Mystery solved. My blood pressure has now returned. Perhaps I overacted a bit, but I am pleased to announce it was handled poste haste (thats right now for you non-belivers). Now as far as the other age old discussions on here, they are like crabgrass, just won't go away. Next year we (and anyone else) have the three speed, so that is good. I had a good discussion with Glen Gray and Bruce Bachelder of NHRA as well as numerous e-mails with Pat in California. I ruffled some feathers for which I apologize. Maybe I was too involved in trying to get 5 cars to BG and Indy, and get over the martinis I was having when my son called and said we got 100 lbs added. The problem is fixed and the communication lines are wide open. Thanks.

Dyno · 08-21-2012, 04:21 PM

Hopkins ran in C/SA with his 13 Mustang/5.0 at BIR

Brett C · 08-21-2012, 04:26 PM

Good news for the Mopar camp! Maybe they'll get off the porch and play with the big dogs now???
Still disagree with the pro tree thing though. Makes no sense at all. How are they going to qualify? Run with the stockers on .5 full tree, then you have to run a .4 full tree for the class, then revert back to .5 full tree for eliminations? Total nonsense! Way overthought!

Anyway, see you guys there!

Brett Candies
4192 Stock/SS

08-21-2012, 03:33 PM	#37
Joseph Teuton Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: HOUMA, LA Posts: 440 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today Why reduce the HP on 95% of the cars instead of raising the other 5%?[/QUOTE] Because the 95% are the ones complaining. So fix the ones that complaing. =) Plus it's all done by excel so it's just as easy to do 95% as it is to do the 5%. Just like we are not asking to take away the three speeds from the CJ's and COPO's, we are asking to give us one! __________________ JOSEPH TEUTON 4044 STK,SS,

08-21-2012, 04:03 PM	#38
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 326 Times in 50 Posts	Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today Your on-the-scene reporter has unraveled the problem. First it's fixed, Thanks NHRA. On May 9, a proposal for the Shootout was done and sent to the manufactureres. The weight was 3575, which was too much. After discussions, it was reduced to 3475 and posted on the tech site on June 18. When the adddition of the pro tree and a couple of other things were done, the weights from May 9 were picked up instead of June 18. Mystery solved. My blood pressure has now returned. Perhaps I overacted a bit, but I am pleased to announce it was handled poste haste (thats right now for you non-belivers). Now as far as the other age old discussions on here, they are like crabgrass, just won't go away. Next year we (and anyone else) have the three speed, so that is good. I had a good discussion with Glen Gray and Bruce Bachelder of NHRA as well as numerous e-mails with Pat in California. I ruffled some feathers for which I apologize. Maybe I was too involved in trying to get 5 cars to BG and Indy, and get over the martinis I was having when my son called and said we got 100 lbs added. The problem is fixed and the communication lines are wide open. Thanks. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

08-21-2012, 04:21 PM	#39
Dyno Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 878 Likes: 938 Liked 610 Times in 180 Posts	Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today Hopkins ran in C/SA with his 13 Mustang/5.0 at BIR

08-21-2012, 04:26 PM	#40
Brett C VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Thibodaux, LA Posts: 1,165 Likes: 261 Liked 879 Times in 197 Posts	Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today Good news for the Mopar camp! Maybe they'll get off the porch and play with the big dogs now??? Still disagree with the pro tree thing though. Makes no sense at all. How are they going to qualify? Run with the stockers on .5 full tree, then you have to run a .4 full tree for the class, then revert back to .5 full tree for eliminations? Total nonsense! Way overthought! Anyway, see you guys there! Brett Candies 4192 Stock/SS