62 Chevrolet, STILL No Traction - Page 4

Jack McCarthy · 07-23-2007, 12:18 PM

aubrey, just put driveline into your daily driver (60 nomad) and it will hook

suggest air bag in passenger spring to absorb twist... and everything else these guys said

jack mccarthy

dont understand, my wagon hooks in a car wash

Aubrey N Bruneau · 07-23-2007, 02:20 PM

HEEE HEEE !... no doubt, Jack !
Don't have the 60 anymore though... wouldn't meet Stock anyhow.
But THIS would... I've owned it since 1985..
63 Canadian Pontiac Parisienne Safari... factory 409 4 speed... and meets Stock PERFECTLY !
http://www.bruneauperformance.ca/my6...ksaskrr720.jpg

http://www.bruneauperformance.ca/my6...side640big.jpg

http://www.bruneauperformance.ca/my6...nteriorfrt.jpg

Greg Barsamian · 07-23-2007, 03:27 PM

Is there ballast in the rear of the car?
Are you using a sway bar?

If Alf was still in business, He'd get you to hook!
Guaranteed!

Dave Goob Cook · 07-23-2007, 03:59 PM

"pinion angle is the difference between the angle of the driveshaft to angle of the pinion shaft."

Sorry, THAT is DRIVELINE ANGLE, and has NOTHING to do with how the rear suspension will work.

It's been run through the wringer many times, and even DAVE MORGAN HISSELF corrected his "bible" in regards to pinion angle, what it is, what it does, and how to measure it.

Check the IHRA magazine that he used to have his articles in, and NO, I am not going to go back and dig out the issue again, it was late 2001 or 2002.

He never corrected the "Doorslammers" book in it's late reprints though......

Google pinion angle.......then hold on.

You leaf spring car guys KNOW!

I've added a photo of my car as my avatar, you might notice that it seems to be hooking well.

Aubrey N Bruneau · 07-23-2007, 09:12 PM

Yes, I agree, if Alf ( I DID speak to him about this a couple years ago ) had ever worked with a 60-64 Chevrolet, I'm sure he WOULD have found the answers !

No sway bar.... about 40 pounds under the rear of the package tray, 4" back from the centre line of the axle, about 8" above the top of the tire.

admittedly... NOW I am REALLY messed up on pinion angle !

Jeff Lee · 07-24-2007, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NHRAstocker409

about 8" above the top of the tire.

That would be a no-no...

Aubrey N Bruneau · 07-24-2007, 01:27 AM

OK Jeff, I'll bite...
What's a "no no" ? !

I used to have about 60 pounds bolted inside the rear crossmember, behind the bumper.
Got big flack for THAT. Told to put it directly over the rear axle, as high as practical.
This weight is "adjustable", on a weight bar, which is bolted to brackets that are welded to the frame.

Aubrey N Bruneau · 07-24-2007, 01:38 AM

Took the car to the scale finally.
No ballast, 4 gallons of fuel, with me in the car...
NOW it sort of makes sense...
1930 / 1740... 3670
For C Stock, my minimum weight over the scale would be 3635
For D Stock, ...... 3828

I'm 20 something pounds over weight... should I go on a diet, and run with no ballast in C ?!!!
Or, should accept my "middle age spread", add 150 pounds of stratigically placed weight to the car, and run in D ?

I know the ballast would make it launch better, but I always like the speed out the back door... and the car is heavy enough... lighter is easier on chassis parts.

Guees my question could be, can a car hook properly, with the front / rear weight distribution that this car has as is ?

( oh, the reason for my arror in my previous weight info, is that I forgot that last time I had weighed the car, that weight bar was in the rear bumper )

Jeff Lee · 07-24-2007, 01:51 AM

General Regulation 4:2 - Ballast.
Ballast not allowed above rear tire.

Aubrey N Bruneau · 07-24-2007, 03:13 AM

I see...
is that a specific rule just for me... to help gaurantee that this piece of $#%& NEVER hooks up ?!!!!!!

NEVER saw that. I've been over the rule book some 3,687,521 times...
never saw that.

So... WHERE does a person put ballast in a car that won't get initial traction ?
In front of the radiator ?

got the towel in my right hand, raised over my head... I'm ready.... get'n close !

07-23-2007, 12:18 PM	#31
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,284 Likes: 22 Liked 352 Times in 92 Posts	Re: 62 Chevrolet, STILL No Traction aubrey, just put driveline into your daily driver (60 nomad) and it will hook suggest air bag in passenger spring to absorb twist... and everything else these guys said jack mccarthy dont understand, my wagon hooks in a car wash __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"

07-23-2007, 02:20 PM	#32
Aubrey N Bruneau Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: South Eastern Alberta, Canada Posts: 311 Likes: 6 Liked 7 Times in 3 Posts	Re: 62 Chevrolet, STILL No Traction HEEE HEEE !... no doubt, Jack ! Don't have the 60 anymore though... wouldn't meet Stock anyhow. But THIS would... I've owned it since 1985.. 63 Canadian Pontiac Parisienne Safari... factory 409 4 speed... and meets Stock PERFECTLY ! http://www.bruneauperformance.ca/my6...ksaskrr720.jpg http://www.bruneauperformance.ca/my6...side640big.jpg http://www.bruneauperformance.ca/my6...nteriorfrt.jpg __________________ Aubrey N Bruneau 6409 C/S 62 BelAir sport coupe, 409 HP 409

07-23-2007, 03:27 PM	#33
Greg Barsamian VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Massachusetts Posts: 1,384 Likes: 611 Liked 390 Times in 84 Posts	Re: 62 Chevrolet, STILL No Traction Is there ballast in the rear of the car? Are you using a sway bar? If Alf was still in business, He'd get you to hook! Guaranteed!

07-23-2007, 03:59 PM	#34
Dave Goob Cook Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Indy Posts: 422 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 62 Chevrolet, STILL No Traction "pinion angle is the difference between the angle of the driveshaft to angle of the pinion shaft." Sorry, THAT is DRIVELINE ANGLE, and has NOTHING to do with how the rear suspension will work. It's been run through the wringer many times, and even DAVE MORGAN HISSELF corrected his "bible" in regards to pinion angle, what it is, what it does, and how to measure it. Check the IHRA magazine that he used to have his articles in, and NO, I am not going to go back and dig out the issue again, it was late 2001 or 2002. He never corrected the "Doorslammers" book in it's late reprints though...... Google pinion angle.......then hold on. You leaf spring car guys KNOW! I've added a photo of my car as my avatar, you might notice that it seems to be hooking well. Last edited by Dave Goob Cook; 07-23-2007 at 04:05 PM.

07-23-2007, 09:12 PM	#35
Aubrey N Bruneau Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: South Eastern Alberta, Canada Posts: 311 Likes: 6 Liked 7 Times in 3 Posts	Re: 62 Chevrolet, STILL No Traction Yes, I agree, if Alf ( I DID speak to him about this a couple years ago ) had ever worked with a 60-64 Chevrolet, I'm sure he WOULD have found the answers ! No sway bar.... about 40 pounds under the rear of the package tray, 4" back from the centre line of the axle, about 8" above the top of the tire. admittedly... NOW I am REALLY messed up on pinion angle ! __________________ Aubrey N Bruneau 6409 C/S 62 BelAir sport coupe, 409 HP 409

07-24-2007, 01:27 AM	#37
Aubrey N Bruneau Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: South Eastern Alberta, Canada Posts: 311 Likes: 6 Liked 7 Times in 3 Posts	Re: 62 Chevrolet, STILL No Traction OK Jeff, I'll bite... What's a "no no" ? ! I used to have about 60 pounds bolted inside the rear crossmember, behind the bumper. Got big flack for THAT. Told to put it directly over the rear axle, as high as practical. This weight is "adjustable", on a weight bar, which is bolted to brackets that are welded to the frame. __________________ Aubrey N Bruneau 6409 C/S 62 BelAir sport coupe, 409 HP 409

07-24-2007, 01:38 AM	#38
Aubrey N Bruneau Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: South Eastern Alberta, Canada Posts: 311 Likes: 6 Liked 7 Times in 3 Posts	oh... about weight to "fit" the class ? Took the car to the scale finally. No ballast, 4 gallons of fuel, with me in the car... NOW it sort of makes sense... 1930 / 1740... 3670 For C Stock, my minimum weight over the scale would be 3635 For D Stock, ...... 3828 I'm 20 something pounds over weight... should I go on a diet, and run with no ballast in C ?!!! Or, should accept my "middle age spread", add 150 pounds of stratigically placed weight to the car, and run in D ? I know the ballast would make it launch better, but I always like the speed out the back door... and the car is heavy enough... lighter is easier on chassis parts. Guees my question could be, can a car hook properly, with the front / rear weight distribution that this car has as is ? ( oh, the reason for my arror in my previous weight info, is that I forgot that last time I had weighed the car, that weight bar was in the rear bumper ) __________________ Aubrey N Bruneau 6409 C/S 62 BelAir sport coupe, 409 HP 409

07-24-2007, 01:51 AM	#39
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: 62 Chevrolet, STILL No Traction General Regulation 4:2 - Ballast. Ballast not allowed above rear tire. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

07-24-2007, 03:13 AM	#40
Aubrey N Bruneau Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: South Eastern Alberta, Canada Posts: 311 Likes: 6 Liked 7 Times in 3 Posts	Re: 62 Chevrolet, STILL No Traction I see... is that a specific rule just for me... to help gaurantee that this piece of $#%& NEVER hooks up ?!!!!!! NEVER saw that. I've been over the rule book some 3,687,521 times... never saw that. So... WHERE does a person put ballast in a car that won't get initial traction ? In front of the radiator ? got the towel in my right hand, raised over my head... I'm ready.... get'n close ! __________________ Aubrey N Bruneau 6409 C/S 62 BelAir sport coupe, 409 HP 409