Indy was boring - no tech/ no ahfs - Page 3

bubski · 09-06-2021, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SS3718

Jeff,
Out of curiosity, we’re the OEM and first set of Dart heads junk or they just wouldn’t accept the innovative port design you wanted?

Nick

Bubski is sure that anyone would like to have the most "innovative" set of heads possible !! However this is Stock n Super Stock and that is not the reality of the situation !! YOU have to work with what YOU choose as a combo !!! NOT WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE !!

Jeff Niceswanger · 09-07-2021, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SS3718

Jeff,
Out of curiosity, we’re the OEM and first set of Dart heads junk or they just wouldn’t accept the innovative port design you wanted?

Nick

You know, Id love to be able to answer that. I'm not a head porter, and the man that did them is gone. And I miss him dearly. I do believe that Dave was taking the same port as he had in the 083's and just running them on the CNC machine. I remember him saying something like that, but we would have to ask Randy Brewer, as he was working right along side him. Anybody that ever owned a 624 Combo in SS had the same issues. They were sprinkler systems..
I remember sending those 083's to Rays Crack repair and he told me from the get go the material was like pop cans melted down and re-used, or something to that effect. He described them as these casting were like they had been laying on the bottom of the ocean for 100 years, and now we're trying to weld on them. Like spiderwebs down inside. ( I had purchase brand new castings from over the counter at the Chevrolet Dealership) After the third time in about six weeks of sending them back, first the bowls, then the runner and then a hole the size of a pencil eraser in the chamber, he said " Jeff, I hate to tell a guy to scuttle a brand new set of heads, but I'm afraid these heads are not raceable. I just put six grand in those things, and that hurt .. LOL

Jeff Niceswanger · 09-07-2021, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by bubski

Bubski is sure that anyone would like to have the most "innovative" set of heads possible !! However this is Stock n Super Stock and that is not the reality of the situation !! YOU have to work with what YOU choose as a combo !!! NOT WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE !!

That's saying that 85-92 350 cu in. Camaros and Firebirds could not run in the Super Stock class, as the 083 head was the only thing GM put on them. People tried the 217 casting which was worse than the 083. (It was a GM replacement head that came on cars and boats and was superseded by GM. If you went in and ordered a new set of 083's,, 217's came in the boxes) I know, we ordered a set) . Do you really think that boxing out the most popular car that GM had for a decade is what we should have done?

bubski · 09-07-2021, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Niceswanger

That's saying that 85-92 350 cu in. Camaros and Firebirds could not run in the Super Stock class, as the 083 head was the only thing GM put on them. People tried the 217 casting which was worse than the 083. (It was a GM replacement head that came on cars and boats and was superseded by GM. If you went in and ordered a new set of 083's,, 217's came in the boxes) I know, we ordered a set) . Do you really think that boxing out the most popular car that GM had for a decade is what we should have done?

What Bubski is saying is that no one should be excluded from racing SS!! However when one picks a combo ,one has to be aware of the pitfalls as well as the benefits !! Build an aerodynamic Camaro to beat up on the chevy 2s and Ford and Mopar 60's and 70's cars !! Thats a great idea !! better front end bodywork to bracket race and a nice soft factor to start out with !! However the heads are not up to the task of being mercilessly over heated on the BBQ grill to braze the exhaust ports to pick up like a "second" on ET !! HAHA Then you mill off the entire intake flange on the 85b !! Then you CNC the heads to some template which is incompatible to the castings you have and someone owes you a replacement head ?? I suppose if Bubski ran a Chevrolet stocker i'd be begging for .904 lifters cause I really hate wiping cam lobes !! and would sure like to take advantage of the profiles available in .904 and its not fair cause someone else has them !!