Is there any hope of NHRA separating traditional Stockers...

[D.Johns]

Why do they need to be now? They are separated within stk/SS under the FS designation so they won’t be ran against heads-up against an older car. Under the AHFS their index and HP factors will be adjusted accordingly. What’s the advantage on the bracket side?

[Chris Barnes]

I'm not sure that it's a fair fight for an older stocker (I race a '64 Plymouth C/SA wagon). All that computer controlled fly by wire stuff makes me paranoid. They should probably just race against each other. I've beat them before and it did feel good but last year I just felt like a beaten bitch against a couple of different COPOs. Maybe if I'd had a lower .00 light and run right on my dial...

[Mark Yacavone]

I don't see an immediate problem with the current set up.
The problem down the road might come when an 8 sec. FX car runs over the top of a EF/S car in the lights.
You guys DO know what's gonna go away, and what's not, right?

[fastlane]

Originally Posted by Chris Barnes

I'm not sure that it's a fair fight for an older stocker (I race a '64 Plymouth C/SA wagon). All that computer controlled fly by wire stuff makes me paranoid. They should probably just race against each other. I've beat them before and it did feel good but last year I just felt like a beaten bitch against a couple of different COPOs. Maybe if I'd had a lower .00 light and run right on my dial...

I think the FS/AA copo is at a disadvantage to any of the older slower cars we all run on a 9 inch tire who is more likely to smoke the tires the new Copo with 1100 hp running 8.00-8.50 or the older lower class car running 9.00-11.00 the answer is obvious. If you dialing and it is not heads up the slower car will be more consistent.

[Rat Raceway]

Originally Posted by Chris Barnes

I'm not sure that it's a fair fight for an older stocker (I race a '64 Plymouth C/SA wagon). All that computer controlled fly by wire stuff makes me paranoid. They should probably just race against each other. I've beat them before and it did feel good but last year I just felt like a beaten bitch against a couple of different COPOs. Maybe if I'd had a lower .00 light and run right on my dial...

That makes total sense! Who needs running water, indoor plumbing and electricity. Everyone should make their own clothes and die at 38 years old. Modern things??? That’s just silly!!!

[Paul Wong]

As much as I wish a got a chance at junior stock. I don’t ever remember reading about A/SA car hitting a Z/SA car on 7” tires, no roll bars, no safety harness and no helmets. I guess racing is dangerous and accidents happen but what if aliens land too. I think there are less than 10 front drive cars left in the country and if you want to complain about cars being faster build one. I really like the idea on non cookie cutter projects. I have been beating my head against the wall with my obscure cars but it is entertaining to succeed in your own world. I was told when I started 30 years ago that there were always bad combinations and to learn the guide. I am not stating that there are not inexperienced people buying 8 second stockers and maybe a little seat time will prevent more mishaps either. As Mr Dyer said you can build a new car for the same amount of money a good old car. Bottom line we need no more classes, no more dilution of the rules and more tech.

[nwebber]

I agree with Mr. Wong, no more dilution and more tech. Funny story on my only conversation with him. I was the only one running a combo that had been abandoned because of Hp hits. I finally put some $$ into mine to run class at Vegas and he tells me “if you run slow at this race we will get Hp off the combo”. May not be an exact quote but close. We got the Hp lowered the neit year.

[6130]

Okay, I can see that I stumbled upon a sensitive subject. After reading all of the comments, I think I can appreciate everyone's perspective on this.

I guess it could be worse, look at what's happened to Super Stock- GT classes, front to rear wheel drive conversions, and all the slower cars from Modified Eliminator got dumped into Super Stock. SS/VX vs. SS/AH anyone?

[troublemaker427]

Originally Posted by Paul Wong

As much as I wish a got a chance at junior stock. I don’t ever remember reading about A/SA car hitting a Z/SA car on 7” tires, no roll bars, no roll bars and no helmets. I guess racing is dangerous and accidents happen but what if aliens land too. I think there are less than 10 front drive cars left in the country and if you want to complain about cars being faster build one. I really like the idea on non cookie cutter projects. I have been beating my head against the wall with my obscure cars but it is entertaining to succeed in your own world. I was told when I started 30 years ago that there were always bad combinations and to learn the guide. I am not stating that there are not inexperienced people buying 8 second stockers and maybe a little seat time will prevent more mishaps either. As Mr Dyer said you can build a new car for the same amount of money a good old car. Bottom line we need no more classes, no more dilution of the rules and more tech.

Great post!!

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Paul Wong

I really like the idea on non cookie cutter projects. I have been beating my head against the wall with my obscure cars but it is entertaining to succeed in your own world. I was told when I started 30 years ago that there were always bad combinations and to learn the guide. Bottom line we need no more classes, no more dilution of the rules and more tech.

Spoken like Darth Vader, "Paul, I am your father!"