Dear Len Imbrongo, NHRA, and all the other people who dont care about sportsman cars - Page 3

Tim Lisson · 07-24-2007, 02:32 PM

Tommy-

Great post!

Tim

Jeff Teuton · 07-24-2007, 03:32 PM

Randall, I thought you just liked the cold beer and hot crawfish down here. I had no idea you enjoyed the racing. But, 'Thats just my opinion'.

Bill Edgeworth · 07-24-2007, 03:43 PM

Tommy has a good point, I was the first to whine about the parking but the trip to the staging lanes was not that bad. You could go either way road course or they were allowing you to cross the track between runs. I went via the road course and you can coast ? of the way to staging. I guess what I didn?t really like was being so far away from all the action. Then Tommy?s Dad provided me the best parking spot in the place, the burn out box to watch his huge wheel stand in his first round heads up race.
Tommy?s comments about racers like Biondo, Fletcher and Rampy having gained the right to better parking due to their accomplishments is valid but what has not been discussed is that these are people that bring our sport into the spotlight Especially with large commercial sponsors like Summit and the oil companies. Would you expect sponsors of sportsman and ET series programs like Lucas and Summit to have their sponsored cars where no one can see them? So in the end you could say that giving them preferential parking was for all of our benefit.
AND if I?m not mistaken even Fletcher moved to a better pit spot on Monday morning.

SSDiv6 · 07-24-2007, 04:19 PM

Sean...sorry...but I have to agree with Tommy on his comments. There are many young drivers out there that you should use as a benchmark. You are whom you hang out with.

I saw some newcomers in the sport such as Angela Bushmaker and I did not see her cry about the track conditions; she was raised in the sport by her parents Willy "B" and Jeannie, so she understands what it takes to race. I have also seen the rise of others such as the DeFrank kids, Brad Plourd and many others...like Tommy said, find a Godfather to help you...learn and quit your arrogance...

You had some success and luck in the past with Gary's Oldsmobile at the divisional level...nevertheless, it does not make you an experienced driver either...and by the way, I would not choose Gary as your mentor either.

FlyingW · 07-24-2007, 04:37 PM

I would have to agree there... my driving started to change when I started positioning myself around those who have been in the sport for a while or even those who are simply successful. Something is to be said for experience. You have to know when to bitch and when not to... and rain???? No, I think not.

I am a fairly new driver myself, and the first person that ever beat me was Biondo, so instead of saying "well, he should have beat me, he is the world champion" I said "No, I will become like him"

It is all a mind set.

At the end of the day, NHRA still makes the rules. Be a racer or a tech guy... you cant be both.

Jeremy Waibel

Sean Kennedy · 07-24-2007, 05:15 PM

Wow,

I didn't get in anybodys face at the event. I waited until monday, and i was home on my keyboard to vent. That makes me an ignorant ***? So just let me get this straight....

If i have a negative opinion of the event, and i state it, than i'm an ***? I thought that's what this place was for, sharing of opinions and thoughts.

I'm a newbie at this, and i know it. I dont think i'm anybody special, but i'm going to keep working my *** off trying to become one.

If sharing my opinion, and being a little heated after getting screwed, makes me that, then i guess i will continue to be.

Tommy i have a lot of respect for you as a racer, and i thought you were a nice guy. I dont come out and insult people, and i didnt, so i'm kind of taken aback by you. I dont go to many races, and i dont say a whole lot to anyone, so id ont know how i rubbed many people the wrong way. Oh well, i'll just continute being anti-social most of the time, it was apparently for the best.

P.S. When did i ever say i was anything but inexperienced, ****, i said it was my FIRST national event.

Thanks for the kind words of support ;-|

Sean Kennedy · 07-24-2007, 05:22 PM

Side note, i think i'm the only guy to get yelled more than Bruce Fulper.

Floyd Staggs · 07-24-2007, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean Kennedy

Side note, i think i'm the only guy to get yelled more than Bruce Fulper.

Nah, I think you need about 6 more pages to get yelled at more than Bruce.

On another note, look at the number of entries in stock and super stock for Sonoma. Everybody wants to race in California.

SSDiv6 · 07-24-2007, 06:03 PM

Sean...this is the reason why you need a racing Godfather to hold you by the hand so you can learn...being a sportsman racer is sort of like peeing against the wind...you are at the mercy of NHRA and the track...no if's or but's...this is the way it is. There is a difference between venting and whinning...you are doing the later...

By the way...if you feel that Tommy insulted you, you have a long ways to grow up!!! In this sport, you have to take it like a man and at your level, you have to be quiet, listen, and learn from others...this will not be the first or last event that you will experience these things.

So...if you cannot handle it the proper way, then you should you restrict yourself to bracket racing during the weekends. (No offense to bracket racers!!!)

Jeff Goss · 07-24-2007, 09:02 PM

Man, I would have killed to get to race the National!

You kind of know that going in it will suck. It's a mess like we don't see often. Even with good weather, you get parked in a less than ideal spot. The rain just made it that much worse. Combine that with thousands of people going everywhere-yeah it sucks.

NHRA will never make everyone happy. Those that bitch usually don't have a viable alternative, just complaining about their particular experience.

Let's face it, NHRA is the only show in town. Like it or lump it.

Nothing, I repeat NOTHING, is worse that keyboard racing from home. I have sat out for 3 years now since selling my old car-which by the way was in the Super Stock Winner's Circle (damn you Jody!)

Try to put things in perspective.

A wise man once said "Think about what you want to say, think about it again, then don't say it". Constructive criticism is one thing, all out bitching is another.

Just my opinion, as a former racer that has a damn car put together but couldn't get his act together to get out yet-LOL.

See y'all out there soon.

Jeff Goss
6990 SS/MA

07-24-2007, 02:32 PM	#21
Tim Lisson Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Solon Springs, WI Posts: 166 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Dear Len Imbrongo, NHRA, and all the other people who dont care about sportsman c Tommy- Great post! Tim

07-24-2007, 03:32 PM	#22
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Dear Len Imbrongo, NHRA, and all the other people who dont care about sportsman c Randall, I thought you just liked the cold beer and hot crawfish down here. I had no idea you enjoyed the racing. But, 'Thats just my opinion'.

07-24-2007, 03:43 PM	#23
Bill Edgeworth Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 258 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Dear Len Imbrongo, NHRA, and all the other people who dont care about sportsman c Tommy has a good point, I was the first to whine about the parking but the trip to the staging lanes was not that bad. You could go either way road course or they were allowing you to cross the track between runs. I went via the road course and you can coast ? of the way to staging. I guess what I didn?t really like was being so far away from all the action. Then Tommy?s Dad provided me the best parking spot in the place, the burn out box to watch his huge wheel stand in his first round heads up race. Tommy?s comments about racers like Biondo, Fletcher and Rampy having gained the right to better parking due to their accomplishments is valid but what has not been discussed is that these are people that bring our sport into the spotlight Especially with large commercial sponsors like Summit and the oil companies. Would you expect sponsors of sportsman and ET series programs like Lucas and Summit to have their sponsored cars where no one can see them? So in the end you could say that giving them preferential parking was for all of our benefit. AND if I?m not mistaken even Fletcher moved to a better pit spot on Monday morning. __________________ Bill Edgeworth 6471 STK

07-24-2007, 04:19 PM	#24
SSDiv6 VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Glendale, Arizona Posts: 3,044 Likes: 712 Liked 1,583 Times in 582 Posts	Re: Dear Len Imbrongo, NHRA, and all the other people who dont care about sportsman c Sean...sorry...but I have to agree with Tommy on his comments. There are many young drivers out there that you should use as a benchmark. You are whom you hang out with. I saw some newcomers in the sport such as Angela Bushmaker and I did not see her cry about the track conditions; she was raised in the sport by her parents Willy "B" and Jeannie, so she understands what it takes to race. I have also seen the rise of others such as the DeFrank kids, Brad Plourd and many others...like Tommy said, find a Godfather to help you...learn and quit your arrogance... You had some success and luck in the past with Gary's Oldsmobile at the divisional level...nevertheless, it does not make you an experienced driver either...and by the way, I would not choose Gary as your mentor either.

07-24-2007, 04:37 PM	#25
FlyingW Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Frostproof, Fl. Posts: 450 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Dear Len Imbrongo, NHRA, and all the other people who dont care about sportsman c I would have to agree there... my driving started to change when I started positioning myself around those who have been in the sport for a while or even those who are simply successful. Something is to be said for experience. You have to know when to bitch and when not to... and rain???? No, I think not. I am a fairly new driver myself, and the first person that ever beat me was Biondo, so instead of saying "well, he should have beat me, he is the world champion" I said "No, I will become like him" It is all a mind set. At the end of the day, NHRA still makes the rules. Be a racer or a tech guy... you cant be both. Jeremy Waibel

07-24-2007, 05:15 PM	#26
Sean Kennedy Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 182 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Dear Len Imbrongo, NHRA, and all the other people who dont care about sportsman c Wow, I didn't get in anybodys face at the event. I waited until monday, and i was home on my keyboard to vent. That makes me an ignorant *? So just let me get this straight.... If i have a negative opinion of the event, and i state it, than i'm an ? I thought that's what this place was for, sharing of opinions and thoughts. I'm a newbie at this, and i know it. I dont think i'm anybody special, but i'm going to keep working my off trying to become one. If sharing my opinion, and being a little heated after getting screwed, makes me that, then i guess i will continue to be. Tommy i have a lot of respect for you as a racer, and i thought you were a nice guy. I dont come out and insult people, and i didnt, so i'm kind of taken aback by you. I dont go to many races, and i dont say a whole lot to anyone, so id ont know how i rubbed many people the wrong way. Oh well, i'll just continute being anti-social most of the time, it was apparently for the best. P.S. When did i ever say i was anything but inexperienced, *, i said it was my FIRST national event. Thanks for the kind words of support ;-\| Last edited by Sean Kennedy; 07-24-2007 at 05:19 PM. Reason: left out a couple things*

07-24-2007, 05:22 PM	#27
Sean Kennedy Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 182 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Dear Len Imbrongo, NHRA, and all the other people who dont care about sportsman c Side note, i think i'm the only guy to get yelled more than Bruce Fulper.

07-24-2007, 06:03 PM	#29
SSDiv6 VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Glendale, Arizona Posts: 3,044 Likes: 712 Liked 1,583 Times in 582 Posts	Re: Dear Len Imbrongo, NHRA, and all the other people who dont care about sportsman c Sean...this is the reason why you need a racing Godfather to hold you by the hand so you can learn...being a sportsman racer is sort of like peeing against the wind...you are at the mercy of NHRA and the track...no if's or but's...this is the way it is. There is a difference between venting and whinning...you are doing the later... By the way...if you feel that Tommy insulted you, you have a long ways to grow up!!! In this sport, you have to take it like a man and at your level, you have to be quiet, listen, and learn from others...this will not be the first or last event that you will experience these things. So...if you cannot handle it the proper way, then you should you restrict yourself to bracket racing during the weekends. (No offense to bracket racers!!!)

07-24-2007, 09:02 PM	#30
Jeff Goss Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Burlington, WA Posts: 361 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Dear Len Imbrongo, NHRA, and all the other people who dont care about sportsman c Man, I would have killed to get to race the National! You kind of know that going in it will suck. It's a mess like we don't see often. Even with good weather, you get parked in a less than ideal spot. The rain just made it that much worse. Combine that with thousands of people going everywhere-yeah it sucks. NHRA will never make everyone happy. Those that bitch usually don't have a viable alternative, just complaining about their particular experience. Let's face it, NHRA is the only show in town. Like it or lump it. Nothing, I repeat NOTHING, is worse that keyboard racing from home. I have sat out for 3 years now since selling my old car-which by the way was in the Super Stock Winner's Circle (damn you Jody!) Try to put things in perspective. A wise man once said "Think about what you want to say, think about it again, then don't say it". Constructive criticism is one thing, all out bitching is another. Just my opinion, as a former racer that has a damn car put together but couldn't get his act together to get out yet-LOL. See y'all out there soon. Jeff Goss 6990 SS/MA