More brake holding power - Page 3

fastcompany69 · 04-04-2012, 03:34 AM

Also try adding a firewall brace so the pedal effort goes into pushing the master. Most cars have ALOT of firewall flex.

My .02

njk53 · 04-04-2012, 03:04 PM

Myron, who in your opinion makes the best cold holding brake pad?

Myron Piatek · 04-05-2012, 08:08 PM

Nelson,
To be honest, I haven't compared organic materials between brands. I just noticed that not all brands use organic material and that even some of the cheaper brands can still be semi-metallic. Semi-metallic work better when heated through typical stop-and-go street traffic.

There are plenty of good suggestions, like buying 2 sets of shoes and only using the larger size 1/2's in front and back positions, or relining your shoes and pads with softer material typically used in other applications, like forklifts. I use OEM replacements to keep costs down. Some are obvious or listed accordingly, but if you are unsure about which pads or shoes to buy at a store, bring a magnet and the ones showing less magnetic holding power will tend to have less or no metallic filling.

I probably cut the rotors/drums and sand or replace my brakes more often than average to maintain good, flat contact surfaces.

njk53 · 04-06-2012, 06:44 PM

Myron, you have a PM

Rick Unterseh · 04-06-2012, 11:27 PM

OK, let's try this again !!!! the brake place here in Phoenix is a complete joke. I took my stuff down there, explained what I wanted to both the counter guys, I even explained it to the guy doing the work. I explained it wasn't for a street vehicle and they kept pushing for the semi-metallic stuff. I explained it wasn't for the street over and over again. They finally showed me 3 different types of material and I picked out what I wanted and they said ok, but kept pushing the semi- metallic. When I went to pick it up, guess what...... they put the semi-metallic on. I told them that isn't what I asked for or wanted... they tried to tell me it was what I picked out... it's a totally different color even. Then they didn't even arch the shoes, and said they did.... you can tell it wasn't done... then tried to tell me it was my fault. The product was wrong, customer service was bad, and then it's my fault. I will NEVER go back and NEVER recommend them to anyone. Soooooo.....
Who else can I send some shoes to?? at this point, I will even go out of state if there isn't anyplace here in town or in state.... Thanks again guys !!

Dinsdale · 04-06-2012, 11:42 PM

Hmmm. I haven't heard of anyone "arching" shoes in over 30 years.

I just replaced the front shoes on my car and suspect they have more metalic than I'd like but haven't tried them yet. Went through the pushing out of the burnout box on a similar set a few years back. Ended up buying 3 different brands until I found some that looked like they were made out of cardboard and they worked fine. Having trouble geting them again, 4 years later.

Run to Rund · 04-06-2012, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Run to Rund

John Andreotti at Ott's Friction Supply has some soft material that won't glaze and stops well on the top end, yet holds the car well at the line. I believe Abex makes it and it is tan in color.

This is my recommendation, fwiw.
http://www.ottsfrictionsupply.com/ho...TOKEN=48391762
http://www.ottsfrictionsupply.com/contact.cfm

Jack McCarthy · 04-07-2012, 10:39 AM

put aftermarket brakes on the old wagon few years back and we put two calipers on rear i also use circle track pads called gators on the front (roundy round pads have several friction options)... now i can hold the line at over 4000rpm w/o twostep AND this thing will just STOP at the big end > just perfect for dumping those 140mph guys > two years ago i had a winning et slip with 63mph on it

captain jack

04-04-2012, 03:34 AM	#21
fastcompany69 Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 6 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: More brake holding power Also try adding a firewall brace so the pedal effort goes into pushing the master. Most cars have ALOT of firewall flex. My .02

04-04-2012, 03:04 PM	#22
njk53 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: East China, MI Posts: 504 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: More brake holding power Myron, who in your opinion makes the best cold holding brake pad? __________________ Nelson Kowal Stock 345

04-05-2012, 08:08 PM	#23
Myron Piatek VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 1,542 Likes: 34 Liked 138 Times in 51 Posts	Re: More brake holding power Nelson, To be honest, I haven't compared organic materials between brands. I just noticed that not all brands use organic material and that even some of the cheaper brands can still be semi-metallic. Semi-metallic work better when heated through typical stop-and-go street traffic. There are plenty of good suggestions, like buying 2 sets of shoes and only using the larger size 1/2's in front and back positions, or relining your shoes and pads with softer material typically used in other applications, like forklifts. I use OEM replacements to keep costs down. Some are obvious or listed accordingly, but if you are unsure about which pads or shoes to buy at a store, bring a magnet and the ones showing less magnetic holding power will tend to have less or no metallic filling. I probably cut the rotors/drums and sand or replace my brakes more often than average to maintain good, flat contact surfaces.

04-06-2012, 06:44 PM	#24
njk53 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: East China, MI Posts: 504 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: More brake holding power Myron, you have a PM __________________ Nelson Kowal Stock 345

04-06-2012, 11:27 PM	#25
Rick Unterseh Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 133 Likes: 3 Liked 31 Times in 7 Posts	Re: More brake holding power OK, let's try this again !!!! the brake place here in Phoenix is a complete joke. I took my stuff down there, explained what I wanted to both the counter guys, I even explained it to the guy doing the work. I explained it wasn't for a street vehicle and they kept pushing for the semi-metallic stuff. I explained it wasn't for the street over and over again. They finally showed me 3 different types of material and I picked out what I wanted and they said ok, but kept pushing the semi- metallic. When I went to pick it up, guess what...... they put the semi-metallic on. I told them that isn't what I asked for or wanted... they tried to tell me it was what I picked out... it's a totally different color even. Then they didn't even arch the shoes, and said they did.... you can tell it wasn't done... then tried to tell me it was my fault. The product was wrong, customer service was bad, and then it's my fault. I will NEVER go back and NEVER recommend them to anyone. Soooooo..... Who else can I send some shoes to?? at this point, I will even go out of state if there isn't anyplace here in town or in state.... Thanks again guys !!

04-06-2012, 11:42 PM	#26
Dinsdale Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 313 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 2 Posts	Re: More brake holding power Hmmm. I haven't heard of anyone "arching" shoes in over 30 years. I just replaced the front shoes on my car and suspect they have more metalic than I'd like but haven't tried them yet. Went through the pushing out of the burnout box on a similar set a few years back. Ended up buying 3 different brands until I found some that looked like they were made out of cardboard and they worked fine. Having trouble geting them again, 4 years later. __________________ Dale Posnick

04-07-2012, 10:39 AM	#28
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,322 Likes: 29 Liked 477 Times in 117 Posts	Re: More brake holding power put aftermarket brakes on the old wagon few years back and we put two calipers on rear i also use circle track pads called gators on the front (roundy round pads have several friction options)... now i can hold the line at over 4000rpm w/o twostep AND this thing will just STOP at the big end > just perfect for dumping those 140mph guys > two years ago i had a winning et slip with 63mph on it captain jack __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"