OLDER ENGINE SPEC's - Page 3

bill dedman · 01-05-2011, 08:42 PM

Any of you East Coast guys remember Fred Borcherdt? I read about his Pontiacs in the magazines of the day, and they were always KILLER. I think he ran a F.I. '57 at one time. I also think he built that '69 Judge called "Rocky's Goat" that won the Finals at Dallas, one year. One of the magazines had a cover shot of that car doing a wheelie (uncommon for a Stocker, back then.)

I THINK Jerry Stealy bought that car and re-named it "NEMESIS" and ran Div. V with it for several years. It was known for long, and I mean, L-O-N-G, smoky, burnouts back then (7" tires.)

X-TECH MAN · 01-05-2011, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich Biebel

All the solid cams listed for Pontiacs were dealer installed options and never were assembly line installed. Mckeller design, Isky produced. Not allowed after NHRA knocked out any combinations that were not assembly line produced.....back around 1969-1970. A '58 Pontiac also could have Rochester fuel injection.....and that was an assembly line installed item.....HP was 315 with a hydraulic cam if my memory is correct....

My first nice car was a '58 Pontiac.....so I have a fond memory of those cars.

I'd love to have one today.....

True the Isky cams were dealer/racer installed but still allowed in IHRA back in the day. Havent seen one since around 1975 though. The FI unit was on 310 HP and 338 HP combos. The 338 HP FI combo had the same specs as the 330 HP w/tri power. The 315 HP with one 4 barrel did use a hydr. for NHRA later on but was allowed the Isky solid lifter cam before they were disallowed by NHRA same as when they outlawed the SD (NASCAR) parts on the 60-61 Pontiacs.

Rich Biebel · 01-05-2011, 08:55 PM

I looked at a '57 Safari wagon tow car at one race.....maybe out at York. I think it was Borcherdt's when he raced a '57 2dr. He was a trans builder from what I have read. Never knew him but liked his cars....
Rocky's Goat was a very cool car....and he raced The "It's Dynamite" Mopar wagon at Atco heads up (E/SA?) in the final round I think at the WCS race in 1970. The Mopar won ??? Hard to remember stuff from 40 years ago! He did have a cardboard barbell in the car above the rear seat on the speaker tray area.......some kind of story about coming up light on the scales and he was given the barbell as a joke....

My favorite Pontiac racer was Truman Fields........Met him once at my local track and he was running his Hard Times Firebird.....

X-TECH MAN · 01-05-2011, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Wade Mahaffey

Terry, how about the Super/Stock 283 1-4B Glide in 58 and in 60 Corvette. They are both 230 factored to 225 today. Thanks

Wade Mahaffey

The 58 had 60.1 head CC's, the 59 and 60 had 59.7 CC's.
Deck .015
All used a Carter WCFB
Valves were 1.725 on the Intake and 1.505 on the Exhaust.
Flat top pistons w/4 valve reliefs (2 for S/S).
As far as I can see they are all the same except for the 1958 head CC spec.
NHRA has the specs listed for the 60 on their site.

X-TECH MAN · 01-05-2011, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bill dedman

Any of you East Coast guys remember Fred Borcherdt? I read about his Pontiacs in the magazines of the day, and they were always KILLER. I think he ran a F.I. '57 at one time. I also think he built that '69 Judge called "Rocky's Goat" that won the Finals at Dallas, one year. One of the magazines had a cover shot of that car doing a wheelie (uncommon for a Stocker, back then.)

I THINK Jerry Stealy bought that car and re-named it "NEMESIS" and ran Div. V with it for several years. It was known for long, and I mean, L-O-N-G, smoky, burnouts back then (7" tires.)

Lil George Cureton borrowed it and drove at the Dallas race. I dont believe he won though. I have the mag with the Rockys Goat article around someplace. I will look it up.

bill dedman · 01-06-2011, 02:41 AM

Thanks, Terry. Dunno whether Fred is still around....

Tony Curcio · 01-09-2011, 10:39 AM

Fred Borcherdt is alive and well. He attended a racer's reunion at Cecil County in 2010- I just saw a group photo of the attendees over this weekend with Fred's signature, among others.

He lived in Milford Crossing, Delaware when the Rocky's Goat article was written. The main thing I remember from that article is that he had his own cam grinding machine.

Ron Sanders tells me that he had a rule-bending way of dealing with the siamesed exhaust ports on his '58 Pontiac. He extended a divider wall into the port that was welded to the header flange. So, the head wasn't modified, the header was re-designed. Ron said he was torn down, and as far he remembers, it was allowed.

Ron also remembers that Fred did some work on Cureton's Tokyo Rose (the first Rose was also a 58 Pontiac)), but doesn't know if Fred lent his car to George.

283nova · 01-09-2011, 10:50 AM

thanks for the 66 283 combo,

Larry Hill · 01-09-2011, 12:11 PM

Thanks Terry

How the 67 Shelby got so wrong is still a mystery (JimSkelly) ?

Billy Nees · 01-09-2011, 12:41 PM

Larry, I don't think that ANYBODY realizes how many "mistakes" are really in the guide and they certainly don't just pertain to Shelbys! Maybe I'll sit down on a boring day and make me a "top 10" list.

01-05-2011, 08:42 PM	#21
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: OLDER ENGINE SPEC's Any of you East Coast guys remember Fred Borcherdt? I read about his Pontiacs in the magazines of the day, and they were always KILLER. I think he ran a F.I. '57 at one time. I also think he built that '69 Judge called "Rocky's Goat" that won the Finals at Dallas, one year. One of the magazines had a cover shot of that car doing a wheelie (uncommon for a Stocker, back then.) I THINK Jerry Stealy bought that car and re-named it "NEMESIS" and ran Div. V with it for several years. It was known for long, and I mean, L-O-N-G, smoky, burnouts back then (7" tires.) __________________ Bill

01-05-2011, 08:55 PM	#23
Rich Biebel VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs Posts: 2,275 Likes: 25 Liked 510 Times in 200 Posts	Re: OLDER ENGINE SPEC's I looked at a '57 Safari wagon tow car at one race.....maybe out at York. I think it was Borcherdt's when he raced a '57 2dr. He was a trans builder from what I have read. Never knew him but liked his cars.... Rocky's Goat was a very cool car....and he raced The "It's Dynamite" Mopar wagon at Atco heads up (E/SA?) in the final round I think at the WCS race in 1970. The Mopar won ??? Hard to remember stuff from 40 years ago! He did have a cardboard barbell in the car above the rear seat on the speaker tray area.......some kind of story about coming up light on the scales and he was given the barbell as a joke.... My favorite Pontiac racer was Truman Fields........Met him once at my local track and he was running his Hard Times Firebird..... __________________ Rich Biebel S/C 1479

01-06-2011, 02:41 AM	#26
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: OLDER ENGINE SPEC's Thanks, Terry. Dunno whether Fred is still around.... __________________ Bill

01-09-2011, 10:39 AM	#27
Tony Curcio Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: West Chester, PA Posts: 271 Likes: 1 Liked 4 Times in 1 Post	Re: OLDER ENGINE SPEC's Fred Borcherdt is alive and well. He attended a racer's reunion at Cecil County in 2010- I just saw a group photo of the attendees over this weekend with Fred's signature, among others. He lived in Milford Crossing, Delaware when the Rocky's Goat article was written. The main thing I remember from that article is that he had his own cam grinding machine. Ron Sanders tells me that he had a rule-bending way of dealing with the siamesed exhaust ports on his '58 Pontiac. He extended a divider wall into the port that was welded to the header flange. So, the head wasn't modified, the header was re-designed. Ron said he was torn down, and as far he remembers, it was allowed. Ron also remembers that Fred did some work on Cureton's Tokyo Rose (the first Rose was also a 58 Pontiac)), but doesn't know if Fred lent his car to George. __________________ Tony Curcio 1860 STK

01-09-2011, 10:50 AM	#28
283nova Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: spokane, wa Posts: 88 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: OLDER ENGINE SPEC's thanks for the 66 283 combo, __________________ future superstock eliminator racer and gear banger....

01-09-2011, 12:11 PM	#29
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,301 Likes: 1,656 Liked 9,533 Times in 1,976 Posts	Re: OLDER ENGINE SPEC's Thanks Terry How the 67 Shelby got so wrong is still a mystery (JimSkelly) ? __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

01-09-2011, 12:41 PM	#30
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,234 Likes: 3,132 Liked 6,840 Times in 1,535 Posts	Re: OLDER ENGINE SPEC's Larry, I don't think that ANYBODY realizes how many "mistakes" are really in the guide and they certainly don't just pertain to Shelbys! Maybe I'll sit down on a boring day and make me a "top 10" list. __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS Reality, what a concept!