Clutchless transmission permitted in S/S - Page 3

randy wilson · 02-11-2010, 02:27 PM

i do not think they should get rid of auto weight breaks, i still think a clutch car is quicker than an auto, espescially a 2 speed. comp cars get 250 and indexes are virtually the same, tell me why and where i am wrong.we ran a 9.5 car with 2 speed and it was .26 slower than our 11 lbs. 4 speed car , and yes we were using the clutch between each gear, and .35 slower going clutchless , same exact engine combo. let the games begin.

Nitro Joe Jackson · 02-11-2010, 04:04 PM

were the weight break should change is in SS/AH, either everybody races at 3210 or 3170, personally i think if the weight doesn't get changed you will see a bunch of sticks in Cuda's & Darts.
It's been proven these transmissions are fast and maybe faster now

ps I don't like the rule change, but I'm just a fan.

Mike Dahl · 02-11-2010, 06:04 PM

Randy,

The national records are as follows and I would respectfully submit this is our best barometer for comparing potential performance .

SS/A 8.78 SS/AA 8.61
SS/B 8.97 SS/BA 8.84
SS/C 9.18 SS/CA 9.00
SS/D 9.28 SS/DA 9.12
SS/E 9.48 SS/EA 9.04
SS/F 9.59 SS/FA 9.26
SS/G 9.48 SS/GA 9.53
SS/H 9.74 SS/HA 9.63
SS/I 9.76 SS/IA 9.54
SS/J 9.94 SS/JA 9.93

So, if you remove SS/E & SS/F from the list to create a truer median #, you still have the automatics with a .116/sec advantage, yet there is at least a .1 index advantage for the autos and in some cases .2 Really?

I would have done a GT comparison, but there are too many minimums. I suppose it must be because the sticks are so attractive to everyone.

I always hear how if somebody put a stick in their car it would go faster, but clearly the records tell a different tale. I think most people would be sorely disappointed after losing a tenth on the index, losing their radial tires and having the overwhelming joy of learning how to work on their clutches.

P.S. The clutchless tranmission is worth .02 NOT .1. Even up the indexes and let's race. Seriously, why not?

bubski · 02-11-2010, 06:14 PM

well put Mike some of those autos that are not as fast as sticks may be so to keep their hp factor safe as their indexes are substantially slower. MAKE EM ALL THE SAME AND LETS GET IT ON.

Bobby Fazio · 02-11-2010, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by njk53

Crap like this is exactly why the SS class is out of control and costs a pile of $$ to run.

Yup, Super Stock is becoming Comp and Stock is becoming Super Stock.

Ed Carpenter · 02-11-2010, 09:09 PM

The have nots just fell a little farther behind.

acme383 · 02-11-2010, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mike dahl

randy,

the national records are as follows and i would respectfully submit this is our best barometer for comparing potential performance .

Ss/a 8.78 ss/aa 8.61
ss/b 8.97 ss/ba 8.84
ss/c 9.18 ss/ca 9.00
ss/d 9.28 ss/da 9.12
ss/e 9.48 ss/ea 9.04
ss/f 9.59 ss/fa 9.26
ss/g 9.48 ss/ga 9.53
ss/h 9.74 ss/ha 9.63
ss/i 9.76 ss/ia 9.54
ss/j 9.94 ss/ja 9.93

so, if you remove ss/e & ss/f from the list to create a truer median #, you still have the automatics with a .116/sec advantage, yet there is at least a .1 index advantage for the autos and in some cases .2 really?

I would have done a gt comparison, but there are too many minimums. I suppose it must be because the sticks are so attractive to everyone.

I always hear how if somebody put a stick in their car it would go faster, but clearly the records tell a different tale. I think most people would be sorely disappointed after losing a tenth on the index, losing their radial tires and having the overwhelming joy of learning how to work on their clutches.

P.s. The clutchless tranmission is worth .02 not .1. Even up the indexes and let's race. Seriously, why not?

amen brother!

Pvt Parts · 02-12-2010, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by deuces wild

The have nots just fell a little farther behind.

Yes, and most of them don't have a clue as to how far behind they really are.

randy wilson · 02-12-2010, 09:30 AM

mike, that is all true, but dont you believe that there is 5 times as many autos as there is sticks, a less experianced stick racer is not going to compete with a smart auto racer, also a smart stick racer will kill a dumb auto racer.dont get mad yet, i think most nhra stick racers no way more about it than i do, my question is why can i do an exact back to back test and come up so far off. i dare to say any stock or ss racer running a stick switches to a 2 speed will slow down, im from missouri you may have to show me. also guys, lets take comp records and post them with the 250 lbs. wt. break. that is the true test. when there is no differance in weight or index the true class cars will all be running sticks. eddeyville is going to run some index no-break out stuff this year, autos get a weight break, bring your autos and kick these standard trans guys ***, i will give an auto an extra 100 dollars if they win. there will be 2 clutch cars in the finals.

randy wilson · 02-12-2010, 09:50 AM

i just went to comp to be sure, i would stay away from those records if you want to continue this discussion. true, some are faster, but average it out and post it, and again that is with a 250 lbs. break running 3 speeds mostly. they are the true test, take away the weight breaks there and see how many autos show up. if you guys are right, im going to loan my powerglide to mike edwards at pamona if he promises to split the winnings with me. should be a wash.

02-11-2010, 02:27 PM	#21
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 20 Times in 20 Posts	Re: Clutchless transmission permitted in S/S i do not think they should get rid of auto weight breaks, i still think a clutch car is quicker than an auto, espescially a 2 speed. comp cars get 250 and indexes are virtually the same, tell me why and where i am wrong.we ran a 9.5 car with 2 speed and it was .26 slower than our 11 lbs. 4 speed car , and yes we were using the clutch between each gear, and .35 slower going clutchless , same exact engine combo. let the games begin. __________________ don,t have one

02-11-2010, 04:04 PM	#22
Nitro Joe Jackson VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Loudonville, Ohio or where ever the Nitro Lounge is parked Posts: 2,292 Likes: 43 Liked 66 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Clutchless transmission permitted in S/S were the weight break should change is in SS/AH, either everybody races at 3210 or 3170, personally i think if the weight doesn't get changed you will see a bunch of sticks in Cuda's & Darts. It's been proven these transmissions are fast and maybe faster now ps I don't like the rule change, but I'm just a fan. __________________ Nitro Joe Jackson STK 3431 nitrojoe@neo.rr.com

02-11-2010, 06:04 PM	#23
Mike Dahl Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 30 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Clutchless transmission permitted in S/S Randy, The national records are as follows and I would respectfully submit this is our best barometer for comparing potential performance . SS/A 8.78 SS/AA 8.61 SS/B 8.97 SS/BA 8.84 SS/C 9.18 SS/CA 9.00 SS/D 9.28 SS/DA 9.12 SS/E 9.48 SS/EA 9.04 SS/F 9.59 SS/FA 9.26 SS/G 9.48 SS/GA 9.53 SS/H 9.74 SS/HA 9.63 SS/I 9.76 SS/IA 9.54 SS/J 9.94 SS/JA 9.93 So, if you remove SS/E & SS/F from the list to create a truer median #, you still have the automatics with a .116/sec advantage, yet there is at least a .1 index advantage for the autos and in some cases .2 Really? I would have done a GT comparison, but there are too many minimums. I suppose it must be because the sticks are so attractive to everyone. I always hear how if somebody put a stick in their car it would go faster, but clearly the records tell a different tale. I think most people would be sorely disappointed after losing a tenth on the index, losing their radial tires and having the overwhelming joy of learning how to work on their clutches. P.S. The clutchless tranmission is worth .02 NOT .1. Even up the indexes and let's race. Seriously, why not?

02-11-2010, 06:14 PM	#24
bubski Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 228 Likes: 14 Liked 186 Times in 63 Posts	Re: Clutchless transmission permitted in S/S well put Mike some of those autos that are not as fast as sticks may be so to keep their hp factor safe as their indexes are substantially slower. MAKE EM ALL THE SAME AND LETS GET IT ON.

02-11-2010, 09:09 PM	#26
Ed Carpenter Live Reporter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Dripping Springs, Tx Posts: 2,700 Likes: 185 Liked 509 Times in 128 Posts	Re: Clutchless transmission permitted in S/S The have nots just fell a little farther behind. __________________ Ed Carpenter 2005 Chevy Cobalt A/SM Race Engine Development

02-12-2010, 09:30 AM	#29
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 20 Times in 20 Posts	Re: Clutchless transmission permitted in S/S mike, that is all true, but dont you believe that there is 5 times as many autos as there is sticks, a less experianced stick racer is not going to compete with a smart auto racer, also a smart stick racer will kill a dumb auto racer.dont get mad yet, i think most nhra stick racers no way more about it than i do, my question is why can i do an exact back to back test and come up so far off. i dare to say any stock or ss racer running a stick switches to a 2 speed will slow down, im from missouri you may have to show me. also guys, lets take comp records and post them with the 250 lbs. wt. break. that is the true test. when there is no differance in weight or index the true class cars will all be running sticks. eddeyville is going to run some index no-break out stuff this year, autos get a weight break, bring your autos and kick these standard trans guys ***, i will give an auto an extra 100 dollars if they win. there will be 2 clutch cars in the finals. __________________ don,t have one

02-12-2010, 09:50 AM	#30
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 20 Times in 20 Posts	Re: Clutchless transmission permitted in S/S i just went to comp to be sure, i would stay away from those records if you want to continue this discussion. true, some are faster, but average it out and post it, and again that is with a 250 lbs. break running 3 speeds mostly. they are the true test, take away the weight breaks there and see how many autos show up. if you guys are right, im going to loan my powerglide to mike edwards at pamona if he promises to split the winnings with me. should be a wash. __________________ don,t have one