Senior Racer question..... - Page 3

JRyan · 01-07-2010, 05:25 AM

Yes the Bucron's were a Standard Oil Deal and were sold around here at Standard and Amoco Stations. But they used to be advertised as Blems in the back of Hot Rod Magazine for years out of some tire company in the Southeast. I could get them up here via Bus for $22 each. I ran them on my '50 Olds, Model A with and Olds, and sold them to other guys around town who were always going to "put gears in" but didn't and then they'd fry their clutches with the tall. sticky tires.

I still have two sets, and they're just as soft today as they were in the sixties. In fact, one set is holding up my '50 Olds while I'm restoring it. The set in the warehouse still has the same air in them as when I brought the car back from Arizona in 1984. I think I've had to put air in ONE of the two on the car since I put it in storage 20 years ago. The regular front tires go flat all the time, but the Bucrons never lose air.

With 4.30 gears, the "allison" trans (4-speed GM Hydro), the Bucrons, and a hopped up '56 Olds engine, I used to race the mid-sixty muscle cars all the time. Of course they'd always want to count to three, but I'd just tell em " Naw, you just go when you're ready". I'd always hook even with the deep low gear in that trans, and would be way ahead by the end of low gear. To me '64 and '65 GTO's were an INSTANT $20.

I changed the car to a Stocker in '67, and it ran the same with either the M&H's or the Bucrons, but the M&H's were on Cragers, so in the interest of being cool, that's what we ran.

Interesting tire, and very intersting that I just talked to an old Amoco dealer today about those tires before I even saw this thread. Pretty ironic.

Jerry

Bunkster · 01-07-2010, 08:18 AM

“Atlas” was the marketing brand name Standard Oil used for many products. There were belts, hoses, ignition parts and filters with the Atlas stamp.

Dallas Kelly · 01-07-2010, 02:09 PM

When they were first introduced in the late fifties they were the most expensive tires sold at the time BUT they had a lifetime tread wear warranty with free replacement , no pro rating. What racer wouldn't love never having to buy another set of race tires? The other posters have noted that they were not supposed to squeal and provided fantastic traction for their time; wet or dry. Local drag racers were getting about three weeks between replacement sets. Standard Oil withdrew the warranty about one year after introduction. About eighteen months after intro the compounding was altered and, while better than other OEM tires, they couldn't hold a candle to the originals for off the line traction. Race-specific recaps then filled the gap until dedicated race tires came along in the mid sixties. Bucrons were on most of the late fifties/early sixties, full bodied door slammers, built with Detroit big-iron that were being drag raced on the street and strip.

Bobby Zlatkin · 01-07-2010, 02:36 PM

The race specific recaps Dallas refered to were then called "cheater slicks" although there was nothing illegal about them in stock or super stock.

W J · 01-07-2010, 03:18 PM

As someone here earlier stated, the Casler cheater drag re-caps worked excellent. As for my experiences w/the Bucrons, if I remember correctly, they worked best at the track on my '57 when about 1/2 worn.....that point is also when they became quite scary, if you had to drive them on a wet road.....however, new, w/full depth tread, they were respectable in the rain....just 2 straight tread lines w/hundreds of little "z" cuts in between made them quite unique-looking for that era....

WJ

Alex Denysenko · 01-07-2010, 04:05 PM

I started my automotive life at my uncles Stadard station in the mid 60's when I was 12.

They sold EVERYTHING Atlas.

My first 8 track tape deck circa 1970 that I installed in my Mustang was a Atlas brand.
Anyway, here is a photo of a Atlas Bucron.

http://636utah.com/images/bucron_004.jpg

qwiked · 01-07-2010, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 340Cuda

My recollection was different; I remember them being very good in the rain. They also did not squeal when spun if I remember correctly. Cut down on the tickets.

Goodyear had a butyl tire also. They had a regular tread unlike the two big grooves I remember in the US Royal tire. I had a set on the front of a 63 Plymouth I had in the late sixties. I can’t remember how I got them but they were not as big as I wanted for the back so I used them on front because they were so good in the rain.

Bill

Back in the day (1964) we either used Casler "cheater slicks" or Atlas Bucrons on our 1957 Chev D/MP car --Caslers for dry racing and the Bucrons in the rain --(believe it or not we would drag race 4 abreast in the rain at Pacific Race Ways)

ERNIE GRIGGS · 01-07-2010, 05:28 PM

back in the late 50s and early 60s firestone built a tire called the " butalair" that was really soft. some drag racers in the ohio area were running them back then

Jax · 01-07-2010, 06:38 PM

Anybody need any. have about 10 or 15 bucrons left over from my dads stock car racing days.

01-07-2010, 05:25 AM	#21
JRyan Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aberdeen SD Posts: 645 Likes: 30 Liked 112 Times in 31 Posts	Re: Senior Racer question..... Yes the Bucron's were a Standard Oil Deal and were sold around here at Standard and Amoco Stations. But they used to be advertised as Blems in the back of Hot Rod Magazine for years out of some tire company in the Southeast. I could get them up here via Bus for $22 each. I ran them on my '50 Olds, Model A with and Olds, and sold them to other guys around town who were always going to "put gears in" but didn't and then they'd fry their clutches with the tall. sticky tires. I still have two sets, and they're just as soft today as they were in the sixties. In fact, one set is holding up my '50 Olds while I'm restoring it. The set in the warehouse still has the same air in them as when I brought the car back from Arizona in 1984. I think I've had to put air in ONE of the two on the car since I put it in storage 20 years ago. The regular front tires go flat all the time, but the Bucrons never lose air. With 4.30 gears, the "allison" trans (4-speed GM Hydro), the Bucrons, and a hopped up '56 Olds engine, I used to race the mid-sixty muscle cars all the time. Of course they'd always want to count to three, but I'd just tell em " Naw, you just go when you're ready". I'd always hook even with the deep low gear in that trans, and would be way ahead by the end of low gear. To me '64 and '65 GTO's were an INSTANT $20. I changed the car to a Stocker in '67, and it ran the same with either the M&H's or the Bucrons, but the M&H's were on Cragers, so in the interest of being cool, that's what we ran. Interesting tire, and very intersting that I just talked to an old Amoco dealer today about those tires before I even saw this thread. Pretty ironic. Jerry

01-07-2010, 08:18 AM	#22
Bunkster Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 307 Likes: 0 Liked 43 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Senior Racer question..... “Atlas” was the marketing brand name Standard Oil used for many products. There were belts, hoses, ignition parts and filters with the Atlas stamp.

01-07-2010, 02:09 PM	#23
Dallas Kelly Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Cleves, OH Posts: 141 Likes: 318 Liked 85 Times in 21 Posts	Re: Senior Racer question..... When they were first introduced in the late fifties they were the most expensive tires sold at the time BUT they had a lifetime tread wear warranty with free replacement , no pro rating. What racer wouldn't love never having to buy another set of race tires? The other posters have noted that they were not supposed to squeal and provided fantastic traction for their time; wet or dry. Local drag racers were getting about three weeks between replacement sets. Standard Oil withdrew the warranty about one year after introduction. About eighteen months after intro the compounding was altered and, while better than other OEM tires, they couldn't hold a candle to the originals for off the line traction. Race-specific recaps then filled the gap until dedicated race tires came along in the mid sixties. Bucrons were on most of the late fifties/early sixties, full bodied door slammers, built with Detroit big-iron that were being drag raced on the street and strip.

01-07-2010, 02:36 PM	#24
Bobby Zlatkin Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Mills River, NC Posts: 417 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Senior Racer question..... The race specific recaps Dallas refered to were then called "cheater slicks" although there was nothing illegal about them in stock or super stock. __________________ Bobby & Norene Zlatkin L/SA

01-07-2010, 03:18 PM	#25
W J Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Paxton, Massachusetts Posts: 638 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Senior Racer question..... As someone here earlier stated, the Casler cheater drag re-caps worked excellent. As for my experiences w/the Bucrons, if I remember correctly, they worked best at the track on my '57 when about 1/2 worn.....that point is also when they became quite scary, if you had to drive them on a wet road.....however, new, w/full depth tread, they were respectable in the rain....just 2 straight tread lines w/hundreds of little "z" cuts in between made them quite unique-looking for that era.... WJ Last edited by W J; 01-07-2010 at 03:46 PM.

01-07-2010, 04:05 PM	#26
Alex Denysenko Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Michigan City IN Posts: 633 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Senior Racer question..... I started my automotive life at my uncles Stadard station in the mid 60's when I was 12. They sold EVERYTHING Atlas. My first 8 track tape deck circa 1970 that I installed in my Mustang was a Atlas brand. Anyway, here is a photo of a Atlas Bucron. http://636utah.com/images/bucron_004.jpg __________________ Alex Denysenko NHRA 3038 SS, 3305 STK - IHRA 6 SS, 330A STK Moneymaker Racing LaPorte Indiana 219-861-1214 www.moneymakerracing.net

01-07-2010, 05:28 PM	#28
ERNIE GRIGGS Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: OCALA Posts: 34 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Senior Racer question..... back in the late 50s and early 60s firestone built a tire called the " butalair" that was really soft. some drag racers in the ohio area were running them back then

01-07-2010, 06:38 PM	#29
Jax Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Grady Posts: 25 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Senior Racer question..... Anybody need any. have about 10 or 15 bucrons left over from my dads stock car racing days.