Question about seats in a Stocker - Page 3

Ronnie Hamlin · 05-12-2009, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by herbjr

Ok here is what happened

After a racer told the tech people at Rockingham I had the wrong seats in the car i got approached this weekend at Piedmont and was told to find the right seats. My dad can fabricate anything so a head rest is no problem, I'm running a seat that is heavier than anything else I could run. It would take a die hard mopar guy to know the difference in these seats. I dont care what we run, we have purchased 4 sets of Mopar buckets in the past 3 months anyway, but at 200.00 per seat to get covered this isnt cheap. So know what do you think about your fellow racer that is going to nick pick my stocker. He better bring his gaskets to Jackson and Darlington, Ill double the 500 I wasted having seats redone and see his piston and rod just for the HELL of it.

This is B.S. considering how many incorrect parts are allowed. For example, hood scoops from different brand vehicles, wrong year model body panels for year claimed, etc. I've got a set of low back Dodge bucket seats I'll give you if that's what you need to be legal. Call me.

danny waters sr · 05-12-2009, 07:31 AM

How about if they start matching serial #'s to what body you are claiming, example= 69 camaro ss body with non matching serial #. (probably was a 6 cyl from factory. 1/2 the cars would be thrown out on just that icluding mine.there are a lot of cars out there that don't match. Makes no diff to me ,but if this nit -picking gets started there will be just a lot of " HIGH DOLLAR " bracket cars.How many real Hemi's do you think are really out there ,not many. I will be looking me a 6 banger to go in mine just to run stock.

Mike McCandless · 05-12-2009, 11:56 AM

I took out lighter seats to go with something I thought was safer. For whatever reason, I don't feel safe sitting on a bench seat in a race car. Granted we're going a blistering 7.50's at 90mph, but I still don't like it. We went to heavier seats and have people complaining. The funny part, we are not fast for our class. It's not like I'm knocking on the top of the ladder sheet. All of the upgrades we've done to the car, were about safety. If you look at the cage my dad put in this car, you'd swear we're running 5's. It's probably safer than the SS car we have haha. If this were over something that gave a performance advantage, I'd totally understand. We just want to go to the track and have fun. Any board member that has met me knows that is all I care about. I'm not out there trying to qualify number 1 or screw up a factoring.

It won't be hard to figure out who caused all this drama. I can't imagine people outside of my class range are going to care, for obvious reasons. I just wish they would have come up and talked to me rather than being a taddle tale, are we 12 now? Sometimes it is best to let sleeping dogs lie.

Michael Beard · 05-12-2009, 12:33 PM

I thought the "He's got the wrong trim on the car!" stuff went away decades ago.

Yah, we don't need Kirkey or Jaz seats in Stockers, or even late-model seats in old cars, but this sounds like it's going a little overboard -- similar era and make of seats sound okay.

I like the stock bench seat in my Volare. I still use the full 5-way harness, so that's not an issue, and it has headrests.

$.02,

Brandon Peterson · 05-12-2009, 12:35 PM

rather than being a taddle tale, are we 12 now?

this guy said taddle tale.....mike you are crazy....sounds like some people just have to much time on there hands to look at your car..rather than winnig rounds like your doing....its amazing people will do this type of stuff....i could care less what seat someone has in there car...plus i wouldn't know the difference anyway....see in a few weeks mike..

Mark Yacavone · 05-12-2009, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by herbjr

Ok here is what happened.

We ran our coronet wagon at 3 races with 2 different sets of seats. The car came with a low back seat with a head rest. We put a High back Duster/Dart seat in it with a high back. Below are the weights.

High Back 42 lbs each 84 lbs total
Low back 34 lbs each 68 lbs total

Bench 59 lbs total

We figured the high back was a little safer and since you have a head rest if you did crash well that was our thinking. You could order a Coronet with a Bench or Buckets with a factory center console with a floor shifter. But the bucket was a lower seat.

After a racer told the tech people at Rockingham I had the wrong seats in the car i got approached this weekend at Piedmont and was told to find the right seats. My dad can fabricate anything so a head rest is no problem, I'm running a seat that is heavier than anything else I could run. It would take a die hard mopar guy to know the difference in these seats. I dont care what we run, we have purchased 4 sets of Mopar buckets in the past 3 months anyway, but at 200.00 per seat to get covered this isnt cheap. So know what do you think about your fellow racer that is going to nick pick my stocker. He better bring his gaskets to Jackson and Darlington, Ill double the 500 I wasted having seats redone and see his piston and rod just for the HELL of it.

Herb, Am I reading this correctly? You were using bucket seats in a station wagon?

Mike McCandless · 05-12-2009, 02:19 PM

Yes we had bucket seats in a station wagon. They made 15 383/4 speed wagons, which I'm 95% sure came with buckets.

Toddwell · 05-12-2009, 02:47 PM

Sorry if this is a little off topic, but what about interior color...I know it sounds kinda crazy.

I am building a FWD stocker to run in A/FS, using an Omni GLH Turbo as a starting point, and running the car as a Shelby version (GLH-S)

Now, the Shelby GLH-S only came with one color interior, gray.
Could the car conceivably be bounced if I had, say, a red interior?

Would the guys who tech for NHRA even know it's not correct?

Sorry if I hijacked your thread.

Mark Yacavone · 05-12-2009, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike McCandless

Yes we had bucket seats in a station wagon. They made 15 383/4 speed wagons, which I'm 95% sure came with buckets.

Mike, Without researching this, I'm 95 % certain they DIDN'T come that way. I've never seen a 60's 4dr car, or station wagon with factory bucket seats. Therein lies your problem. If I were teching stockers, not bracket cars, ...I would expect to see a straight, fixed back, bench seat in that car. It seems pretty clear, in this instance, what the rule book means by factory type seats. The book has to be looked at in the spirit of stock appearing automobiles, not any OEM factory seat. How about a Crosley seat then? King Midget?

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herbjr · 05-12-2009, 03:36 PM

Mark do you know Galen Glovier, well he is the guy who has decoded all these mopar cars and can tell you exactly how many of each car was made with what. I also have a full set of Mopar Parts books from the early 60's to the mid 70's.

I also have a picture of a wagon with a full center console and buckets. So if we want to get technical then that is fine I really dont care. BUT, why dont we quit the bullshhhhht and start racing.

Herb Jr

BTW, There are a few racers who need to wear IHRA uniforms as much time as they spend in the tech trailer bitching about other racers stuff.

05-12-2009, 07:31 AM	#22
danny waters sr VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: lagrange,nc Posts: 2,224 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Question about seats in a Stocker How about if they start matching serial #'s to what body you are claiming, example= 69 camaro ss body with non matching serial #. (probably was a 6 cyl from factory. 1/2 the cars would be thrown out on just that icluding mine.there are a lot of cars out there that don't match. Makes no diff to me ,but if this nit -picking gets started there will be just a lot of " HIGH DOLLAR " bracket cars.How many real Hemi's do you think are really out there ,not many. I will be looking me a 6 banger to go in mine just to run stock. __________________ Danny Waters, Sr / 73 Duster "340"

05-12-2009, 11:56 AM	#23
Mike McCandless Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 121 Likes: 3 Liked 320 Times in 35 Posts	Re: Question about seats in a Stocker I took out lighter seats to go with something I thought was safer. For whatever reason, I don't feel safe sitting on a bench seat in a race car. Granted we're going a blistering 7.50's at 90mph, but I still don't like it. We went to heavier seats and have people complaining. The funny part, we are not fast for our class. It's not like I'm knocking on the top of the ladder sheet. All of the upgrades we've done to the car, were about safety. If you look at the cage my dad put in this car, you'd swear we're running 5's. It's probably safer than the SS car we have haha. If this were over something that gave a performance advantage, I'd totally understand. We just want to go to the track and have fun. Any board member that has met me knows that is all I care about. I'm not out there trying to qualify number 1 or screw up a factoring. It won't be hard to figure out who caused all this drama. I can't imagine people outside of my class range are going to care, for obvious reasons. I just wish they would have come up and talked to me rather than being a taddle tale, are we 12 now? Sometimes it is best to let sleeping dogs lie.

05-12-2009, 12:33 PM	#24
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Question about seats in a Stocker I thought the "He's got the wrong trim on the car!" stuff went away decades ago. Yah, we don't need Kirkey or Jaz seats in Stockers, or even late-model seats in old cars, but this sounds like it's going a little overboard -- similar era and make of seats sound okay. I like the stock bench seat in my Volare. I still use the full 5-way harness, so that's not an issue, and it has headrests. $.02, __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

05-12-2009, 12:35 PM	#25
Brandon Peterson Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 436 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Question about seats in a Stocker rather than being a taddle tale, are we 12 now? this guy said taddle tale.....mike you are crazy....sounds like some people just have to much time on there hands to look at your car..rather than winnig rounds like your doing....its amazing people will do this type of stuff....i could care less what seat someone has in there car...plus i wouldn't know the difference anyway....see in a few weeks mike..

05-12-2009, 02:19 PM	#27
Mike McCandless Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 121 Likes: 3 Liked 320 Times in 35 Posts	Re: Question about seats in a Stocker Yes we had bucket seats in a station wagon. They made 15 383/4 speed wagons, which I'm 95% sure came with buckets.

05-12-2009, 02:47 PM	#28
Toddwell Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 21 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Question about seats in a Stocker Sorry if this is a little off topic, but what about interior color...I know it sounds kinda crazy. I am building a FWD stocker to run in A/FS, using an Omni GLH Turbo as a starting point, and running the car as a Shelby version (GLH-S) Now, the Shelby GLH-S only came with one color interior, gray. Could the car conceivably be bounced if I had, say, a red interior? Would the guys who tech for NHRA even know it's not correct? Sorry if I hijacked your thread.

05-12-2009, 03:36 PM	#30
herbjr VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Greensboro NC Posts: 1,027 Likes: 1 Liked 83 Times in 32 Posts	Re: Question about seats in a Stocker Mark do you know Galen Glovier, well he is the guy who has decoded all these mopar cars and can tell you exactly how many of each car was made with what. I also have a full set of Mopar Parts books from the early 60's to the mid 70's. I also have a picture of a wagon with a full center console and buckets. So if we want to get technical then that is fine I really dont care. BUT, why dont we quit the bullshhhhht and start racing. Herb Jr BTW, There are a few racers who need to wear IHRA uniforms as much time as they spend in the tech trailer bitching about other racers stuff. Last edited by herbjr; 05-12-2009 at 03:46 PM.