We need a new "instant" trigger! - Page 3

Billy Nees · 03-26-2009, 12:55 PM

Jack, OK 25 HP in one shot instead of 2 or 3 shots. 225 lbs will slow your LS-1 down what? 1.8 tenths? Your still 1.22 under. You aren't getting any sympathy here pal.
Art, I still remember being there on that day and I don't remember you getting any sympathy from Jack but t
hen you were in one of those oddball, slow cars and not an LS-1 Firebird.
Chad, something like that might wirk but lower the trigger to -1.35.

david ring · 03-26-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

how about this.

1.400-1.424 under = 3.5%
1.425-1.449 under = 5%
1.450-1.474 under = 7%
1.475 under or more = 10%

or 1% for every .01 under 1.40

Chad's idea is really like what we have in comp-the amount of the adjustment depends on how far under a car runs-this strikes me what people are or should be looking for in adjusting soft combos. The only argument is the increments, say 1.400-1.429 = 3.55; 1.43-1.459 = 5%, well you get the idea, and that's why he added or 1% for every .01. You guys know stock really well and you ought to bring it either the SRAC or get the attention of tech people at NHRA. I'm still optimistic enough to think that if they'd be willing to change something if they can say it's what the racers wanted.

david ring · 03-26-2009, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Chad, something like that might wirk but lower the trigger to -1.35.

Billy, you are a lot smarter than that so I assume that's a typo-are you going to Atco next week?

ss3845 · 03-26-2009, 01:25 PM

You can make the trigger/penalty anything you want. The majority of the racers will just adjust to keep under it. Instead worrying about one guy and an odd ball combo you should be looking at the guys who make all their runs at -1.00 under and then get in the cic race and are going -1.25 - 1.40 under. Leaving the event with no run to make a trigger for the AHFS.

The AHFS is doomed to fail because the only incentive for going fast is that you will get HP. If the top 5 qualifiers got paid like the winner and R/U the current rules would have everything sorted out pretty quick. That sounds just as crazy as the AHFS.

Mike Meier · 03-26-2009, 01:33 PM

No disrespect meant to anyone, but instead of looking at it like "a 5% hit is 200 lbs or so" how about you just MOVE TO THE HIGHER CLASS!!! Then the only weight you need to move around are those little letters on your window!

Another deep thought brought to you by Zippy! Oh and hi Billy.

John Duzac · 03-26-2009, 01:41 PM

Art Leong, I think you are right. When someone runs a number at an altitude factured track that run should be counted. Another thing should be also considered: When a racer makes a 140 + run, how does anyone know if he/she is legal. That is really unfail to the rest of the folks running that combination. I often thought what if someone was running an illegal combination was cheating or any combination. Then they ran it out the back door and it went 140 under. We all know it would get H.P. on Monday. The worst part it was an illegal engine and hurt everyone with that combination. That car should be torn down to make sure the car is legal before to getting H.P. If the car is found to be legal, than he/she gets the record.

Chad Rhodes · 03-26-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by John Duzac

Art Leong, I think you are right. When someone runs a number at an altitude factured track that run should be counted. Another thing should be also considered: When a racer makes a 140 + run, how does anyone know if he/she is legal. That is really unfail to the rest of the folks running that combination. I often thought what if someone was running an illegal combination was cheating or any combination. Then they ran it out the back door and it went 140 under. We all know it would get H.P. on Monday. The worst part it was an illegal engine and hurt everyone with that combination. That car should be torn down to make sure the car is legal before to getting H.P. If the car is found to be legal, than he/she gets the record.

i agree. before any combo gets hp there should be a teardown. whats to stop someone from torpedoing someone else's combo with a blatantly illegal motor

Michael Beard · 03-26-2009, 01:45 PM

There have been years of data compiled. Take all the data, do run completion on 1000' times, and compare everything to a -1.00 under baseline, and adjust *everybody's* HP once now, and be done with it. A ton of work once, and then just fine adjustments after that. How long has it taken to get HP factors even somewhat in line on some combinations using the AHFS? While people didn't like the politics of the pre-AHFS days, at least common sense *could* be applied.

Billy Nees · 03-26-2009, 02:02 PM

Dave, you've seen my fingers! They're kind of like these blunt objects sticking out of my hands and the I is right next to the O.

Jack Matyas · 03-26-2009, 02:56 PM

Billy -- Its starting to sound like you're making this personal -- its not -- at least for me -- I don't want sympathy from anyone ...........let alone you my friend .

03-26-2009, 12:55 PM	#21
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,332 Likes: 3,340 Liked 7,207 Times in 1,612 Posts	Re: We need a new "instant" trigger! Jack, OK 25 HP in one shot instead of 2 or 3 shots. 225 lbs will slow your LS-1 down what? 1.8 tenths? Your still 1.22 under. You aren't getting any sympathy here pal. Art, I still remember being there on that day and I don't remember you getting any sympathy from Jack but t hen you were in one of those oddball, slow cars and not an LS-1 Firebird. Chad, something like that might wirk but lower the trigger to -1.35. __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm OK..........it's everybody else.

03-26-2009, 01:25 PM	#24
ss3845 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 53 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: We need a new "instant" trigger! You can make the trigger/penalty anything you want. The majority of the racers will just adjust to keep under it. Instead worrying about one guy and an odd ball combo you should be looking at the guys who make all their runs at -1.00 under and then get in the cic race and are going -1.25 - 1.40 under. Leaving the event with no run to make a trigger for the AHFS. The AHFS is doomed to fail because the only incentive for going fast is that you will get HP. If the top 5 qualifiers got paid like the winner and R/U the current rules would have everything sorted out pretty quick. That sounds just as crazy as the AHFS.

03-26-2009, 01:33 PM	#25
Mike Meier Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Webster, TX Posts: 317 Likes: 103 Liked 39 Times in 8 Posts	Re: We need a new "instant" trigger! No disrespect meant to anyone, but instead of looking at it like "a 5% hit is 200 lbs or so" how about you just MOVE TO THE HIGHER CLASS!!! Then the only weight you need to move around are those little letters on your window! Another deep thought brought to you by Zippy! Oh and hi Billy. __________________ Mike Meier "World's most expensive DF/S" 2007 Chevy Cobalt....because suffering through owning an AMC Stocker wasn't enough

03-26-2009, 01:41 PM	#26
John Duzac Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Covington, La Posts: 311 Likes: 63 Liked 85 Times in 20 Posts	Re: We need a new "instant" trigger! Art Leong, I think you are right. When someone runs a number at an altitude factured track that run should be counted. Another thing should be also considered: When a racer makes a 140 + run, how does anyone know if he/she is legal. That is really unfail to the rest of the folks running that combination. I often thought what if someone was running an illegal combination was cheating or any combination. Then they ran it out the back door and it went 140 under. We all know it would get H.P. on Monday. The worst part it was an illegal engine and hurt everyone with that combination. That car should be torn down to make sure the car is legal before to getting H.P. If the car is found to be legal, than he/she gets the record. __________________ John Duzac D/S 4448 STK

03-26-2009, 01:45 PM	#28
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: We need a new "instant" trigger! There have been years of data compiled. Take all the data, do run completion on 1000' times, and compare everything to a -1.00 under baseline, and adjust everybody's HP once now, and be done with it. A ton of work once, and then just fine adjustments after that. How long has it taken to get HP factors even somewhat in line on some combinations using the AHFS? While people didn't like the politics of the pre-AHFS days, at least common sense could be applied. __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

03-26-2009, 02:02 PM	#29
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,332 Likes: 3,340 Liked 7,207 Times in 1,612 Posts	Re: We need a new "instant" trigger! Dave, you've seen my fingers! They're kind of like these blunt objects sticking out of my hands and the I is right next to the O. __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm OK..........it's everybody else.

03-26-2009, 02:56 PM	#30
Jack Matyas Live Reporter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Bethlehem , PA -Christmas City , USA Posts: 4,869 Likes: 353 Liked 1,774 Times in 357 Posts	Re: We need a new "instant" trigger! Billy -- Its starting to sound like you're making this personal -- its not -- at least for me -- I don't want sympathy from anyone ...........let alone you my friend . __________________ Jack Matyas 1547 FS/C 2015 Camaro COPO # 62- 2012 Camaro Convertible COPO