index lowering

[Jeff Dona SS3269]

This year at Indy we had 125 stockers and 80 SS that ran .850 under or faster we were there most runs in qualifying had a corr factor 1.080 to 1.095 so obviously all of these cars are capable of going a second under in decent air leave sea level tracks out of the convention. So so basically with the AHFS rules are we are saying that all these combos need hp especially if we are saying .850 under is the number. We have stock and ss combos that have been factored for 55 years that can still go over a second under . The indexes have not been adjusted since 2009 or 2010 I believe a lot of rules have been changed and better valve train technology everyone that is working on their stuff is faster . So in the end do to want to work on your stuff just to get hp and slow it down or do you really want to work to go faster and set higher goals for yourself? I choose going faster. This is still a performance based class and should stay that way.

[Randy Wells]

There is a lot of young racers out there, I tested at Flying H and when i told a kid with a low 10 second hellcat with plates on it, I run 11.20 in Stock Eliminator he didn't have a clue what I was talking about, I told him I could build a 9 second car cheaper then my stocker and he was confused. These young racers like adders and speed and instant gratification.

[Paul Precht]

Originally Posted by Jeff Dona SS3269

This year at Indy we had 125 stockers and 80 SS that ran .850 under or faster we were there most runs in qualifying had a corr factor 1.080 to 1.095 so obviously all of these cars are capable of going a second under in decent air leave sea level tracks out of the convention. So so basically with the AHFS rules are we are saying that all these combos need hp especially if we are saying .850 under is the number. We have stock and ss combos that have been factored for 55 years that can still go over a second under . The indexes have not been adjusted since 2009 or 2010 I believe a lot of rules have been changed and better valve train technology everyone that is working on their stuff is faster . So in the end do to want to work on your stuff just to get hp and slow it down or do you really want to work to go faster and set higher goals for yourself? I choose going faster. This is still a performance based class and should stay that way.

The new valve train technology was a huge benefit for cars that had poor valve trains from the factory and nowhere near as much for those that had good valve trains from the factory, same story for blocks and then add all the combos that don't have the option of available or accepted parts that some do, and some people want to lower the indexes for those who had the gifts and the heck with anyone else.

[Barry Polley]

Just got a text?
Hearing proposed indexes;
3 tenths stock
2 tenths Superstock

[killintime6968]

I think this idea will cause more people to get out of class racing. A lot of cars/ people that are at bottom of the qualifying sheets may not be able to afford to step up their programs. Its not cheap to go fast. Even to .50 under can be tough.

[JGrossijr]

"In the end do you want to work on your stuff just to get hp and slow it down or do you really want to work to go faster and set higher goals for yourself? I choose going faster. This is still a performance based class and should stay that way."

Well stated Mr. Dona

For those concerned about less favorable combinations, there is a mechanism within AHFS to help make those combinations more competitive and more will qualify for that help if indexes are lowered.
Currently, more combinations qualify for hits than help, which is a clear indication the indexes need downward adjustment.

[Cglrcng]

Where is this polling being done so I can go vote no for a million personal reasons I just spent an hour listing here only to lose the posting due to a disconnection as I am still sitting here in my car in the pits at The Strip in Las Vegas at the last DIV 7 LODRS race of 2024 still flogging in the sun all day after I went out 1st rnd today (and will again all day tomorrow as long as they still let me after they hear my reasons), creating & installing some of that latest and greatest "hope to go faster" technology (and maybe the lord willing and the Holley EFI God's bless me maybe, so I wont be a bottom or near bottom of the field qualifyer soon), improves that cost a mint and takes a lot of labor because
nobody makes an off the shelf kit for my ancient 1984 rudimentary EFI combo! And maybe, just maybe for once I will not qualify at or near the bottom of the field and catch up to some of the others.


Hit the ones that have earned it if they wish to lower their indexes, but don't lower everyone's and especially those that have not earned the performance hit.

I am already, unearned by me at least,
and nobody has yet explained why even when asked personally or in writing
more than once why my particular
combo (only I have ever raced the 1984
Dodge Daytona 2.2L 135 C.I. Single
point TBI edition in NHRA Stock Elim. Competition), yet am penalized and
factored 6 HP (done in June 2003 for unknown reasons), or over 6 percent at
99/105 @25 lbs. Per HP for a total of a 150 lb. Penalty in extra wt. carried.

Most others in our minority I do know
handful of slow FWD Stockers across the country already weigh from 100-500 lbs. less than my required min. wt. of
2,795 lbs. that I am trying to haul down the 1,320 as fast as I can go with about
a 1 cu. ft. block of cast iron I already
invested some decent money in for its size.

And for no real performance shown
reasons or due to a poll some wish to
make life harder for everyone. Under 1.30 passes should earn getting hit. But, if you have not shown those kind of E.T.'s yet, please leave the rest of us
alone (and out of the equation until we do earn the hit), so eventually maybe we
too can join you at Indy soon! (Or maybe even up in the middle of the field someday soon possibly).

Yes, even at 67 yrs. of age that is my
goal too. (Both of them).

But price us out of the market by across the board index lowering for
zero actual performance reasons and gone like the wind some of us will be.

Please poll everyone, and do not do it on Fakebook please (as not everyone uses it, mine personally is for business reasons), as it should be an official NHRA communication (our e-mail addresses are on every current and most recent Tech Card we filed for this currently running LODRS event as are our phone numbers for our mobile phones currently in our hands, or maybe cruise the pits a little and ask us our opinions face-to-face, or
even possibly call a meeting since we
are here at the same facility.

Tell me I am currently flogging for no reason on my combo today/tomorrow,
actually for weeks/months on end (to
get just prepared to add a Holley
Terminator X to my ancient rudimentary factory EFI combo) just to take 2 steps
forward and 20 steps back at the same time if you hit me w/ a 2/10th's index lowering, and I will give you the reasons
(and they are many), why not personally please.

Thanks!

[Adger Smith]

[QUOTE
For those concerned about less favorable combinations, there is a mechanism within AHFS to help make those combinations more competitive and more will qualify for that help if indexes are lowered.
Currently, more combinations qualify for hits than help, which is a clear indication the indexes need downward adjustment.[/QUOTE]

A combination that is so weak that never makes the lower AHFS trigger will never have an index changed or HP factor changed (except by request).
Lowering the indexes will make the poor combinations disappear into race car oblivion. Sure all the fast guys are all for the index changes. They keep on racing and running fast and the poor low buck guy(who could be a good shoe polish driver with a poor combination) disappears From class racing. Be careful because sometimes there are other unintended consequences that are never considered. Just let the AHFS work & don't penalize a lot of racers just because a few are smart enough to "Work" the system.

[Cglrcng]

Originally Posted by JGrossijr

"In the end do you want to work on your stuff just to get hp and slow it down or do you really want to work to go faster and set higher goals for yourself? I choose going faster. This is still a performance based class and should stay that way."

Well stated Mr. Dona

For those concerned about less favorable combinations, there is a mechanism within AHFS to help make those combinations more competitive and more will qualify for that help if indexes are lowered.
Currently, more combinations qualify for hits than help, which is a clear indication the indexes need downward adjustment.

It means their indexes need adjustment, not all class indexes. Who received a text? I paid my dues, I paid my entry fees, am at the track now, and still in the pits currently...I have received no texts and my phone/text number is on the tech card that was electronically submitted to NHRA for this LODRS event.

I will ck. My email next. That address is also listed on that same Tech Card.

Or are only certain fast guys participating or invited to participate in such a poll? All memberships are equal, we all pay the same price to join/ be a member, and same price to compete.

It is performance based. That is why there is an AHFS. You earn the hit, or are afraid to earn the HP hit, that is a choice each faces alone. If I earn it I will take it willingly...until then, that is my choice, and believe it or not...it is my short term goal, but I have far to achieve that goal, but those are my goals, with my car...Please leave me to accomplish them in my time only and within my budget.

The Stock Category and Classes are not dying...There are well over 500 stockers out there across the country actively running in 2024 just look at the current National Standings/points chase listing of points (contrary to 1320 posts)...Don't kill it by blanket lowering indexes willy/nilly 3 tenths please.

Please add my no vote to any poll Matt.

Thanks,

Gary Lucier.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by JGrossijr

"[I] For those concerned about less favorable combinations, there is a mechanism within AHFS to help make those combinations more competitive and more will qualify for that help if indexes are lowered.
Currently, more combinations qualify for hits than help, which is a clear indication the indexes need downward adjustment.

Well then THAT mechanism will need to be changed too! As it stands right now, it will take 4 years to get 2 tenths worth of HP back. The "valvetrain enhancements" just slow down a lower HP combo. What about some of the older combos which were arbitrarily given HP before even going to the track? How about NHRA does what it did with the 302/2V FFFord combos? Any non or no longer competitive combo which has never been "hit" with HP goes back to it's original Manufacturers HP rating???