Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68 - Page 21

DeuceCoupe · 11-08-2021, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

DC - Was the 396/375hp Chevy motor re-factored in1968 to 425 hp? I seem to recall you saying it was?

Yes indeed, and they still won even factored to 425hp, though not as much as in 1967.

Rat Patrol · 11-10-2021, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DeuceCoupe

Yes indeed, and they still won even factored to 425hp, though not as much as in 1967.

Urgent request DC - Can you provide the shipping weights for the 67 and 68 396 Camaro? Id like to know if that changed as well as the factoring.

DeuceCoupe · 11-10-2021, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

Urgent request DC - Can you provide the shipping weights for the 67 and 68 396 Camaro? Id like to know if that changed as well as the factoring.

1967
3161 all 396

1968
3262 iron 396
3235 L78
3162 L89 alum heads

1969
3303 L35/325hp
3364 L34/350hp
3337 L78/375hp

In each case, add about 54 lb for the T400 trans if auto.

The Camaros did get fatter.
In that sense they truly did copy Ford, getting fatter every year.
The Z28 runs 1 full class heavier each year so it could run in 3 different classes, same engine.

Where is this Facebook group with all these heavy math people in it?

Rat Patrol · 11-11-2021, 01:29 AM

https://www.facebook.com/groups/7474...417/?ref=share

Its a post called Nova and Camaro weight breaks.

Thees a couple of guys....lyou’d know the name John Barkley......and a guy Tweed Vorhees who owns Ron Garey’s Olds....

Theyre not arguing....just their recollections are different to the info Ive been posting....so I just want to show them the Camaros stayed in SS/C for 68 because of the WB shift.....not just because they added 100lbs to the 67 cars and turned them into 68s.

DeuceCoupe · 11-12-2021, 10:12 AM

Back to Ben Wolf, Spring 69 B/SA=8.00 class, the "1961 Pontiac".

Here's part of the entry list for 1970 Indy. Note McClelland & Wolf entry, a 64 Dodge in E/SA=9.00 class. Different class, so it's likely a wagon, 426/415hp max wedge.

But the point is, it looks here like they defected to the Dark Side (LOL) from Pontiac in 1970 Indy.

Did Ben Wolf move over in Spring 69 with a B/SA=8.00 2dr sedan Dodge 426/415hp? We dont know, but
1. The car fits
2. There's now evidence that Wolf & McClelland moved to Dodge by 1970.

Did they ever run Pontiacs again?
The last time I have Wolf in a Pontiac is 1968, and McClelland in 1969.

The B/SA=8.00 Ben Wolf mystery lives on. Maybe forever LOL.

oldskool · 11-12-2021, 12:39 PM

I suppose we can eliminate a '69 RA4 Bird. Sal Biondo asked Phil Monteith about his '69 which was marked B/SA.

Phil said he only ran Stock in '70, '71, & 72.

Therefore, his Bird was running B/SA in one of those years, NOT '69. Probably not '72 either. The 9.00 - .9.99 class was A, in '72 only. That was the year NHRA drastically changed the Stock rules. Guessing that may have led to Phil switching over to SS.

My opinion, at this time, is that the Wolf B/SA car, during the '69 season, was NOT a Pontiac. The different weight breaks that year, seems to eliminate all Pontiacs from B class, that year, unless the hp factors are higher than we've found them to be.

Rat Patrol · 12-20-2021, 03:23 AM

Just a quick note to both you guys - DC and OldSkool - Wishing you both compliments of the season and thank you both for your help this year...and the entertaining discussions! Stay safe!

Mal.

oldskool · 12-22-2021, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

OK, re the Ben Wolfe car - can you both give me your ‘best guess’..and why ( meets class, correct year etc) .......I kinda got lost in the discussion -

Last name's Wolfe. Car is Pontiac. But nothing else matches.

So why post ? Just because !

Rat Patrol · 01-06-2022, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by oldskool

Last name's Wolfe. Car is Pontiac. But nothing else matches.

So why post ? Just because !

😆 I came across an article on this guy....ran past DC....He ruled him out...but it IS a co-incidence!

DeuceCoupe · 04-28-2023, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

No sheet for 69 Spring SS I’m afraid .- I have been able to confirm the Grotheer/Vanke times off facebook.

I did find this, however....

Also....can find ZERO reference to ‘G Gurch’ - World Champ Stock Elim’

Is the name the correct spelling?

Just to update any readers here (kinda quiet lately) we finally figured out the photo here of Dick Simon's 67 Fairlane Ragtop vs Truman Fields' Hard Times 68 Firebird is from Sep 1974 US Nationals at Indy. Simon in A/SA=8.00, 427-8v under the steel hood. Fields in C/S=9.00, RA1 under the hood from about 1972-74 or so, maybe longer.

11-11-2021, 01:29 AM	#204
Rat Patrol Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 167 Likes: 66 Liked 31 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68 https://www.facebook.com/groups/7474...417/?ref=share Its a post called Nova and Camaro weight breaks. Thees a couple of guys....lyou’d know the name John Barkley......and a guy Tweed Vorhees who owns Ron Garey’s Olds.... Theyre not arguing....just their recollections are different to the info Ive been posting....so I just want to show them the Camaros stayed in SS/C for 68 because of the WB shift.....not just because they added 100lbs to the 67 cars and turned them into 68s.

11-12-2021, 10:12 AM	#205
DeuceCoupe Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 271 Likes: 97 Liked 47 Times in 43 Posts	Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68 Back to Ben Wolf, Spring 69 B/SA=8.00 class, the "1961 Pontiac". Here's part of the entry list for 1970 Indy. Note McClelland & Wolf entry, a 64 Dodge in E/SA=9.00 class. Different class, so it's likely a wagon, 426/415hp max wedge. But the point is, it looks here like they defected to the Dark Side (LOL) from Pontiac in 1970 Indy. Did Ben Wolf move over in Spring 69 with a B/SA=8.00 2dr sedan Dodge 426/415hp? We dont know, but 1. The car fits 2. There's now evidence that Wolf & McClelland moved to Dodge by 1970. Did they ever run Pontiacs again? The last time I have Wolf in a Pontiac is 1968, and McClelland in 1969. The B/SA=8.00 Ben Wolf mystery lives on. Maybe forever LOL. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by DeuceCoupe; 11-12-2021 at 05:15 PM.

11-12-2021, 12:39 PM	#206
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68 I suppose we can eliminate a '69 RA4 Bird. Sal Biondo asked Phil Monteith about his '69 which was marked B/SA. Phil said he only ran Stock in '70, '71, & 72. Therefore, his Bird was running B/SA in one of those years, NOT '69. Probably not '72 either. The 9.00 - .9.99 class was A, in '72 only. That was the year NHRA drastically changed the Stock rules. Guessing that may have led to Phil switching over to SS. My opinion, at this time, is that the Wolf B/SA car, during the '69 season, was NOT a Pontiac. The different weight breaks that year, seems to eliminate all Pontiacs from B class, that year, unless the hp factors are higher than we've found them to be. Last edited by oldskool; 12-18-2021 at 12:46 PM.

12-20-2021, 03:23 AM	#207
Rat Patrol Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 167 Likes: 66 Liked 31 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68 Just a quick note to both you guys - DC and OldSkool - Wishing you both compliments of the season and thank you both for your help this year...and the entertaining discussions! Stay safe! Mal. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by Rat Patrol; 12-20-2021 at 05:42 AM.