And the whiner award goes to ...... - Page 2

rustbucket79 · 12-11-2007, 02:11 AM

What stops a racer from taking a pair of dark sunglasses (or mirrored) and doing a little "duct tape magic" on the inside where the NHRA gods can't see? If you only put them on just before staging, only did one lens and closed your other eye once you saw the tree start, it would be safe and "big brother" would never be the wiser.

Back before the LED's I used sunglasses to slow my R/T, and for the night races, they came off briskly before the 1-2 shift, one fluid motion from reacting to the tree to grabbing the frames, then off to the shifter......food for thought.

EDIT: I just read Pat's thread on patented glasses, rats, someone had the idea before me!!

burton5809 · 12-11-2007, 02:32 AM

This once again prooves another point that no matter what NHRA does there are still people complaining...cant make everyone happy but preach on chuck i agree 100%

Bruce Witherspoon · 12-11-2007, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck Beach

Speedracer,
What the hell does a 2-step and a blinder have to do with a delay box? You are missing the point ..

Obviously your aren't a stock or super stock racer. Why would I put 30+ years in a car to be the fastest only to get hit with HP because I spent the money, time and effort because the car in the other lane hasn't done the same? Read my other posts, it will never be even. Tell me, how do you give HP to a car that is 1.15 under and the same exact combo only runs .85 under but yet the average dictates HP. Now that guy is farther behind. Does that mean he doesn't know how to go fast, doesn't care or doesn't have the money or time? Why is it that you whiners think that because a guy is fast that he is either cheating or he needs HP? Why isn't every team in the NFL, NBA or MLB or for that matter college all have equal records? Does that mean that they need to level those playing fields?

Hello Speedracer, redlighting gives you NO chance to win ... and I used to respect you and your opinion ..

Mike ---- already have one ..

Chuck,

Jeff asked me how to seperate your comments from the whiners you complain about. Just wondering where the line is drawn?

Bruce Noland · 12-11-2007, 09:31 AM

Chuck,
The speedracer no namer isn't a racer. He's a fake. Ignore him.

Chad,
Still smarting from our last little exchange? You offer bitchy little back stabing darts while I'm at least trying to add to the debate of important issues. Too bad you don't have the nads to contribute.

Michael Beard · 12-11-2007, 09:59 AM

>> Maybe MLB players should have little slits in their batting helmet

Why aren't corked bats and steroids permitted in the MLB?

moparornocar · 12-11-2007, 10:21 AM

i wanna make sure i got htis strait

leveling the hp playing field is bad but leveling the rt playing field is good? dosent the same logic apply?

Greg Hill · 12-11-2007, 10:53 AM

Don't anyone take this personally, but if you can run 1.3 something under your index at Indy on Labor Day weekend you need horsepower. My car is a 70 or 71 Camaro Z28 wsith the horsepower ratings at 325 and 315. There are no better legal parts you can buy than are in my motors. I have one of the top engine builders in the country. I think I have a pretty fast car for my combination. My best et ever is 10.79 in E/SA. This was in Memphis in 2006 with below sea level air. I'm telling you all this because my engine builder told me that one of his engines from a combination that is rated at 285 made within 5 hp of my 71 motor which is rated at 315. Both had similar parts,. Same engine builder did both sets of heads, although they were differnt makes.
I have tried numerous camshafts over the years numerous converters, 5 or 6 diffferent carburetors,several different ring packages, dyno time, headers and lots of other things trying to improve the performance of my car so don't tell me that all it takes is money and work because I have spent the money and done the work. I realize that I picked this combination and I like running it, but let's face it the AHFS is designed to level the playing field and provide each and everyone of us that race an opportunity to compete on an equal footing. Yes some people are not going to do the work or spend the money it takes to get the maximum performance out of their cars but those of us that do should expect the horsepower ratings to be fair.

The combination I mentioned above that is at 289 now has to weigh 3060 for E/SA my car with the 71 motor has to weigh 3320. I have to give him 260 lbs for motors that make roughly the same horsepower. I'm not complaining, class has gotten less and less important to me over the years and going rounds in eliminations more important, however with the fuel injection cars coming into our class next year it's more important than ever for the AHFS to work properly. There are going to be a lot of heads up runs in 2008.
If this makes me a whiner so be it.

Greg

Jeff Lee · 12-11-2007, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

>> Maybe MLB players should have little slits in their batting helmet

Why aren't corked bats and steroids permitted in the MLB?

MLB slits to block out distractions just like drag racers that can't handle distractions. Cork & Steroids....different catagory!

Roger K Fain · 12-11-2007, 11:52 AM

A new and innovative idea would be to eliminate the "Christmas Tree' in the middle of the starting line configuration and place an individual "tree" on the outside of each lane. This would eliminate leaving off the other lane's light, and completely eliminate "hoodscoop obstructions" for Pro Stocks and others.These lights could be "hooded" to allow viewing only by the lane competitor, which would enhance safety implicitly by requiring the driver to concentrate solely on "his" lights. This would also render any current "tricks", i.e. blinders, tape, playing cards, etc. obsolete, and add intrigue and excitement to the game, while the traditional "greats" devize new "one-upsmanship" edges to win consistently(and they will).
BTW; I know of one Super Street competitor that has such a large hoodscoop, that he generally selects the right lane so he can see the tree. If by chance, he has to run the left lane, he uses a mirror mounted on his right fender to leave...this is not safe.

Bruce Noland · 12-11-2007, 12:25 PM

Roger,

The fans would miss the regular tree, but your idea could be used in conjunction with the regular tree.

12-11-2007, 02:11 AM	#11
rustbucket79 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 45 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: And the whiner award goes to ...... What stops a racer from taking a pair of dark sunglasses (or mirrored) and doing a little "duct tape magic" on the inside where the NHRA gods can't see? If you only put them on just before staging, only did one lens and closed your other eye once you saw the tree start, it would be safe and "big brother" would never be the wiser. Back before the LED's I used sunglasses to slow my R/T, and for the night races, they came off briskly before the 1-2 shift, one fluid motion from reacting to the tree to grabbing the frames, then off to the shifter......food for thought. EDIT: I just read Pat's thread on patented glasses, rats, someone had the idea before me!! Last edited by rustbucket79; 12-11-2007 at 02:29 AM.

12-11-2007, 02:32 AM	#12
burton5809 Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 31 Likes: 0 Liked 26 Times in 2 Posts	Re: And the whiner award goes to ...... This once again prooves another point that no matter what NHRA does there are still people complaining...cant make everyone happy but preach on chuck i agree 100%

12-11-2007, 09:31 AM	#14
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: And the whiner award goes to ...... Chuck, The speedracer no namer isn't a racer. He's a fake. Ignore him. Chad, Still smarting from our last little exchange? You offer bitchy little back stabing darts while I'm at least trying to add to the debate of important issues. Too bad you don't have the nads to contribute. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK Last edited by Bruce Noland; 12-11-2007 at 10:16 AM.

12-11-2007, 09:59 AM	#15
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: And the whiner award goes to ...... >> Maybe MLB players should have little slits in their batting helmet Why aren't corked bats and steroids permitted in the MLB? __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

12-11-2007, 10:21 AM	#16
moparornocar Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: And the whiner award goes to ...... i wanna make sure i got htis strait leveling the hp playing field is bad but leveling the rt playing field is good? dosent the same logic apply?

12-11-2007, 10:53 AM	#17
Greg Hill VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville , KY Posts: 1,995 Likes: 68 Liked 279 Times in 68 Posts	Re: And the whiner award goes to ...... Don't anyone take this personally, but if you can run 1.3 something under your index at Indy on Labor Day weekend you need horsepower. My car is a 70 or 71 Camaro Z28 wsith the horsepower ratings at 325 and 315. There are no better legal parts you can buy than are in my motors. I have one of the top engine builders in the country. I think I have a pretty fast car for my combination. My best et ever is 10.79 in E/SA. This was in Memphis in 2006 with below sea level air. I'm telling you all this because my engine builder told me that one of his engines from a combination that is rated at 285 made within 5 hp of my 71 motor which is rated at 315. Both had similar parts,. Same engine builder did both sets of heads, although they were differnt makes. I have tried numerous camshafts over the years numerous converters, 5 or 6 diffferent carburetors,several different ring packages, dyno time, headers and lots of other things trying to improve the performance of my car so don't tell me that all it takes is money and work because I have spent the money and done the work. I realize that I picked this combination and I like running it, but let's face it the AHFS is designed to level the playing field and provide each and everyone of us that race an opportunity to compete on an equal footing. Yes some people are not going to do the work or spend the money it takes to get the maximum performance out of their cars but those of us that do should expect the horsepower ratings to be fair. The combination I mentioned above that is at 289 now has to weigh 3060 for E/SA my car with the 71 motor has to weigh 3320. I have to give him 260 lbs for motors that make roughly the same horsepower. I'm not complaining, class has gotten less and less important to me over the years and going rounds in eliminations more important, however with the fuel injection cars coming into our class next year it's more important than ever for the AHFS to work properly. There are going to be a lot of heads up runs in 2008. If this makes me a whiner so be it. Greg

12-11-2007, 11:52 AM	#19
Roger K Fain Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Clarksburg, WV Posts: 146 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: And the whiner award goes to ...... A new and innovative idea would be to eliminate the "Christmas Tree' in the middle of the starting line configuration and place an individual "tree" on the outside of each lane. This would eliminate leaving off the other lane's light, and completely eliminate "hoodscoop obstructions" for Pro Stocks and others.These lights could be "hooded" to allow viewing only by the lane competitor, which would enhance safety implicitly by requiring the driver to concentrate solely on "his" lights. This would also render any current "tricks", i.e. blinders, tape, playing cards, etc. obsolete, and add intrigue and excitement to the game, while the traditional "greats" devize new "one-upsmanship" edges to win consistently(and they will). BTW; I know of one Super Street competitor that has such a large hoodscoop, that he generally selects the right lane so he can see the tree. If by chance, he has to run the left lane, he uses a mirror mounted on his right fender to leave...this is not safe.

12-11-2007, 12:25 PM	#20
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: And the whiner award goes to ...... Roger, The fans would miss the regular tree, but your idea could be used in conjunction with the regular tree. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK Last edited by Bruce Noland; 12-11-2007 at 12:41 PM.