stock elimator rear axle? - Page 2

Run to Rund · 12-08-2010, 01:24 PM

Tom, I have no problem with NHRA allowing the removal of the swing axle grenade. I am just trying to follow the logic. If safety is important, why force some to use weaker parts which cost the same or more? Fortunately for AMC racers, Chrysler bought AMC and NHRA lets them run better diffs like the Dana. GM racers have to run the 12 bolt which takes a lot work to make it live in fast classes, and I suspect most of them are all aftermarket parts, not even the housing being from GM. The benefit seems to be lower HP drag than the 9". My point of logic is that there seems to be no safety or cost related reason to NHRA's decision. Neither are they preserving "originality" since everything is aftermarket anyway. Among the Ford guys, they have to spend the same money for 28 spline pinion pro gears, instead of getting the stronger 35 spline pinions. It would seem to make better sense to "level the playing field" and let any car rearend be used, period.

Tom Turner · 12-08-2010, 03:07 PM

Run to Rund.
If you insist on using the term "logic" in reference to most NHRA rules, you risk the possibility of sounding profoundly oxymoronic. If you refer to my first post on this thread and find the word "stupid", you will discover that you and I totally agree on this subject. Sorry about the sermon on solid axle conversions but I tend to be a little sensitive on the subject after enduring the anti corvette faction for many years. TT

Run to Rund · 12-08-2010, 04:58 PM

lol, I forgot who we are dealiing with here.

Dan Lattimore · 12-08-2010, 09:46 PM

Joe, It looks nice under there but bite the bullit, sell it put the 12 bolt in it and race it in class.--------Danny

Jeff Lee · 12-08-2010, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Run to Rund

Tom, I have no problem with NHRA allowing the removal of the swing axle grenade. I am just trying to follow the logic. If safety is important, why force some to use weaker parts which cost the same or more? Fortunately for AMC racers, Chrysler bought AMC and NHRA lets them run better diffs like the Dana. GM racers have to run the 12 bolt which takes a lot work to make it live in fast classes, and I suspect most of them are all aftermarket parts, not even the housing being from GM. The benefit seems to be lower HP drag than the 9". My point of logic is that there seems to be no safety or cost related reason to NHRA's decision. Neither are they preserving "originality" since everything is aftermarket anyway. Among the Ford guys, they have to spend the same money for 28 spline pinion pro gears, instead of getting the stronger 35 spline pinions. It would seem to make better sense to "level the playing field" and let any car rearend be used, period.

I'm at a loss to think of any make vehicle that NHRA does not allow a structurally sound rear end. All Fords get to use the 9", All GM's get to use a 12 bolt and all Chrysler products get to use the Dana 60. And the swing axle issue has been resolved with either structurally superior parts or a straight axle conversion. The after market makes every part needed for these and if you want to use an inferior, yet brand specific, rear end (like a 8" Ford instead of a 9" Ford) for a possible performance advantage (less drag I suppose), the choice is available. But if it blows up it's not NHRA's fault, it's the racer who chose that route.
I get soooo tired of the "safety" bait when used by a racer that can't afford a part or wants the simple way around the rule book. Real safety is not driving a vehicle in a timed acceleration speed contest!

Run to Rund · 12-08-2010, 11:41 PM

Hey Danny, is that you whom I mentioned in the article? Remember telling me that the shroud would be "expensive?" Do you still have your black 66?

Dan Lattimore · 12-09-2010, 12:20 AM

Tom, Yes I still have my Black 66 . Haven't driven it sinse I hurt it in 68. Nice article, great shot of you and Sam lined up. I'm as old as the year of my car now so I might be a little fuzzy on things from almost 40 years ago. --------Danny

Jim Kaekel · 12-09-2010, 01:15 PM

Danny- I presume you're the same Danny Lattimore formerly from Virginia that's been driving Craig Couris' Olds recently? If so, could you please send me a PM.

Jim Woods · 12-09-2010, 03:42 PM

Danny, are you in pt. st. lucie now?

Dan Lattimore · 12-09-2010, 04:08 PM

Jim kaekel----Yes that's me, How you been, What's up ----Jim woods----Only when I can get away from here---about 4 weeks a year right now.

12-08-2010, 01:24 PM	#11
Run to Rund Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 583 Likes: 8 Liked 54 Times in 27 Posts	Re: stock elimator rear axle? Tom, I have no problem with NHRA allowing the removal of the swing axle grenade. I am just trying to follow the logic. If safety is important, why force some to use weaker parts which cost the same or more? Fortunately for AMC racers, Chrysler bought AMC and NHRA lets them run better diffs like the Dana. GM racers have to run the 12 bolt which takes a lot work to make it live in fast classes, and I suspect most of them are all aftermarket parts, not even the housing being from GM. The benefit seems to be lower HP drag than the 9". My point of logic is that there seems to be no safety or cost related reason to NHRA's decision. Neither are they preserving "originality" since everything is aftermarket anyway. Among the Ford guys, they have to spend the same money for 28 spline pinion pro gears, instead of getting the stronger 35 spline pinions. It would seem to make better sense to "level the playing field" and let any car rearend be used, period.

12-08-2010, 03:07 PM	#12
Tom Turner Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lake Tapps, Washington Posts: 137 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: stock elimator rear axle? Run to Rund. If you insist on using the term "logic" in reference to most NHRA rules, you risk the possibility of sounding profoundly oxymoronic. If you refer to my first post on this thread and find the word "stupid", you will discover that you and I totally agree on this subject. Sorry about the sermon on solid axle conversions but I tend to be a little sensitive on the subject after enduring the anti corvette faction for many years. TT

12-08-2010, 04:58 PM	#13
Run to Rund Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 583 Likes: 8 Liked 54 Times in 27 Posts	Re: stock elimator rear axle? lol, I forgot who we are dealiing with here.

12-08-2010, 09:46 PM	#14
Dan Lattimore Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Beaverdam, Va./ Port St. Lucie,Fla. Posts: 362 Likes: 177 Liked 154 Times in 37 Posts	Re: stock elimator rear axle? Joe, It looks nice under there but bite the bullit, sell it put the 12 bolt in it and race it in class.--------Danny __________________ 66W30POST

12-08-2010, 11:41 PM	#16
Run to Rund Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 583 Likes: 8 Liked 54 Times in 27 Posts	Re: stock elimator rear axle? Hey Danny, is that you whom I mentioned in the article? Remember telling me that the shroud would be "expensive?" Do you still have your black 66?

12-09-2010, 12:20 AM	#17
Dan Lattimore Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Beaverdam, Va./ Port St. Lucie,Fla. Posts: 362 Likes: 177 Liked 154 Times in 37 Posts	Re: stock elimator rear axle? Tom, Yes I still have my Black 66 . Haven't driven it sinse I hurt it in 68. Nice article, great shot of you and Sam lined up. I'm as old as the year of my car now so I might be a little fuzzy on things from almost 40 years ago. --------Danny __________________ 66W30POST

12-09-2010, 01:15 PM	#18
Jim Kaekel VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,229 Likes: 133 Liked 535 Times in 110 Posts	Re: stock elimator rear axle? Danny- I presume you're the same Danny Lattimore formerly from Virginia that's been driving Craig Couris' Olds recently? If so, could you please send me a PM. __________________ Jim Kaekel 3836 STK

12-09-2010, 03:42 PM	#19
Jim Woods Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: celina, ohio Posts: 623 Likes: 4 Liked 12 Times in 7 Posts	Re: stock elimator rear axle? Danny, are you in pt. st. lucie now? __________________ Jim Woods

12-09-2010, 04:08 PM	#20
Dan Lattimore Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Beaverdam, Va./ Port St. Lucie,Fla. Posts: 362 Likes: 177 Liked 154 Times in 37 Posts	Re: stock elimator rear axle? Jim kaekel----Yes that's me, How you been, What's up ----Jim woods----Only when I can get away from here---about 4 weeks a year right now. __________________ 66W30POST