What Do You Think About This? - Page 2

Chad Rhodes · 11-10-2010, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

It also would have affected the ladder, moving up instead of bing at/near the bottom.

very true, aside from the fact that it just ain't right

Bob Don · 11-10-2010, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

It also would have affected the ladder, moving up instead of bing at/near the bottom.

You're right about that, Mike. It definitely would have affected who ran who in first round so I'll rescind my statement of "no harm done".

Jim Wahl · 11-10-2010, 11:32 PM

Bottom line........ they were illegal and as he admitted, they were cheating. If it had been a TnT day instead of qualifying I would say no problem. However they were cheating and made qualifying passes at an official NHRA race and affected the ladder. To brag about it on the internet is just plain stupid. If I were the Division Tech Director I would tell them to bring a set of gaskets with them the next time out. Jim

Jeff Lee · 11-12-2010, 03:53 AM

325 383 CDP 10.00 1-4 Cart AFB-4130S, 4132S/SM 301,666,968 1.5 H 73.5 D,2
Carb sizes – # 4130,4131 – 1437x1563/1186x1313
Carb sizes – # 4132,4133 – 1437x1563/1063x1563
350 440 C 10.10 1-4 Cart AFB-4137S, 4131S/AUTO ONLY 1.5 H 73.5 D
Carb sizes – # 4131 – 1437x1563/1186x1313
Carb sizes – # 4137 – 1437x1563/1063x1563
350 440 D 10.00 1-4 Cart AFB-4130S/SM, 4131S/AUTO 1.5 H 73.5 D,8
Carb sizes – # 4130,4131 – 1437x1563/1186x1313
Carb sizes – # 4136,4137 – 1437x1563/1063x1563
365 440 C 10.10 1-4 Cart AFB-4137S, 4131S/AUTO ONLY 1.5 H 73.5 D
Carb sizes – # 4131 – 1437x1563/1186x1313
Carb sizes – # 4137 – 1437x1563/1063x1563
365 440 P 10.10 1-4 Cart AFB-4130S/SM, 4131S/AUTO 1.5 H 73.5 D,11

Are you sure you have the right carb for a '66 Plymouth 383 / 325 engine?
FYI - AFB 4130s is for an automatic transmission and 4132s/SM is for a "stick manual" transmission. Be careful, often times the "SM" carbs are smaller CFM for better in-town driving; especially on a larger car like yours. Don't you have an automatic trans?
If the AFB you borrowed was for a 1966 440 (maybe it wasn't), then it shares the same specs as your 383 AFB.

GTX JOHN · 11-12-2010, 04:06 AM

The article states he borrowed a 73 Carter 750 AVS. It has an Air Valve Controlled Secondaries and has the large 1 11/16 primary and secondary throttle blades.

Jeff Lee · 11-12-2010, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTX JOHN

The article states he borrowed a 73 Carter 750 AVS. It has an Air Valve Controlled Secondaries and has the large 1 11/16 primary and secondary throttle blades.

We borrowed a 1973 750 cfm Carter AVS from a friend and quickly bolted it on in time for the next qualifying session.

They made AVS's for 440's in 1973??? Stumped me on that one, I though it was Thermoquads, the occasional Quadra-Jet, but AVS?

bigshow2966 · 11-12-2010, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

We borrowed a 1973 750 cfm Carter AVS from a friend and quickly bolted it on in time for the next qualifying session.

They made AVS's for 440's in 1973??? Stumped me on that one, I though it was Thermoquads, the occasional Quadra-Jet, but AVS?

Pretty sure AVS was '69-70 only.

4406mopar · 11-12-2010, 10:07 PM

They made AVS's for 440's in 1973??? Stumped me on that one, I though it was Thermoquads, the occasional Quadra-Jet, but AVS?[/QUOTE]

Jeff you are correct, the 440 AVS was 68-71 only. 383 AVS was 68-69 all, and 70 Low performance models. 340 AVS was 68-70. No such thing as a 1973 AVS.

GTX JOHN · 11-13-2010, 02:08 AM

The point I was trying to make was that all the 750 AVS has much bigger throttle blades 1 11/16 on all corners than the older 525 AFB. It is also much different and easily told apart from an AFB. You can buy a 2010 AVS brand New from Edelbrock today. I was quoting the article and what it stated verbatim ...not stating that it was accurate or not. I have a collection of over 300 Carter AVS AFB and Thermoquads......If anybody needs a particular # measured for size I would be happy to help. Sorry for any confusion created.

11-10-2010, 11:32 PM	#3
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,844 Likes: 668 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Re: What Do You Think About This? Bottom line........ they were illegal and as he admitted, they were cheating. If it had been a TnT day instead of qualifying I would say no problem. However they were cheating and made qualifying passes at an official NHRA race and affected the ladder. To brag about it on the internet is just plain stupid. If I were the Division Tech Director I would tell them to bring a set of gaskets with them the next time out. Jim __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association.

11-12-2010, 03:53 AM	#4
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: What Do You Think About This? 325 383 CDP 10.00 1-4 Cart AFB-4130S, 4132S/SM 301,666,968 1.5 H 73.5 D,2 Carb sizes – # 4130,4131 – 1437x1563/1186x1313 Carb sizes – # 4132,4133 – 1437x1563/1063x1563 350 440 C 10.10 1-4 Cart AFB-4137S, 4131S/AUTO ONLY 1.5 H 73.5 D Carb sizes – # 4131 – 1437x1563/1186x1313 Carb sizes – # 4137 – 1437x1563/1063x1563 350 440 D 10.00 1-4 Cart AFB-4130S/SM, 4131S/AUTO 1.5 H 73.5 D,8 Carb sizes – # 4130,4131 – 1437x1563/1186x1313 Carb sizes – # 4136,4137 – 1437x1563/1063x1563 365 440 C 10.10 1-4 Cart AFB-4137S, 4131S/AUTO ONLY 1.5 H 73.5 D Carb sizes – # 4131 – 1437x1563/1186x1313 Carb sizes – # 4137 – 1437x1563/1063x1563 365 440 P 10.10 1-4 Cart AFB-4130S/SM, 4131S/AUTO 1.5 H 73.5 D,11 Are you sure you have the right carb for a '66 Plymouth 383 / 325 engine? FYI - AFB 4130s is for an automatic transmission and 4132s/SM is for a "stick manual" transmission. Be careful, often times the "SM" carbs are smaller CFM for better in-town driving; especially on a larger car like yours. Don't you have an automatic trans? If the AFB you borrowed was for a 1966 440 (maybe it wasn't), then it shares the same specs as your 383 AFB. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

11-12-2010, 04:06 AM	#5
GTX JOHN VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Boulder City, Nevada 89005 Posts: 2,734 Likes: 2,803 Liked 2,487 Times in 698 Posts	Re: What Do You Think About This? The article states he borrowed a 73 Carter 750 AVS. It has an Air Valve Controlled Secondaries and has the large 1 11/16 primary and secondary throttle blades.

11-12-2010, 10:07 PM	#8
4406mopar Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 233 Likes: 168 Liked 120 Times in 53 Posts	Re: What Do You Think About This? They made AVS's for 440's in 1973??? Stumped me on that one, I though it was Thermoquads, the occasional Quadra-Jet, but AVS?[/QUOTE] Jeff you are correct, the 440 AVS was 68-71 only. 383 AVS was 68-69 all, and 70 Low performance models. 340 AVS was 68-70. No such thing as a 1973 AVS.

11-13-2010, 02:08 AM	#9
GTX JOHN VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Boulder City, Nevada 89005 Posts: 2,734 Likes: 2,803 Liked 2,487 Times in 698 Posts	Re: What Do You Think About This? The point I was trying to make was that all the 750 AVS has much bigger throttle blades 1 11/16 on all corners than the older 525 AFB. It is also much different and easily told apart from an AFB. You can buy a 2010 AVS brand New from Edelbrock today. I was quoting the article and what it stated verbatim ...not stating that it was accurate or not. I have a collection of over 300 Carter AVS AFB and Thermoquads......If anybody needs a particular # measured for size I would be happy to help. Sorry for any confusion created.