727 or 904 behind Cummins in a Ram Truck - Page 2

magnumv8 · 10-23-2009, 06:35 PM

What's neat and why you see it alot is the Cummins 4BT and 6BTdiesels have been used by Dodge, GM and Ford in various chassis over the years (a long time) and the key item is the adaptor plate....this isn't an after market item, but a necessary piece to make the engines compatible for all the different manufacturers.....bread trucks were/are great places to find these engine/trans combos and since Ford and GM both built them the chassis would usually have the 4BT and either one of the matching trannys with the appropriate adaptor plate (the 4BT and 6BT generally use the same adaptor.....if you go on EBAY and do some general searches on 4BT, 6BT in parts there usually is some things there to let you see what these are......

D. L. Rambo

magnumv8 · 10-23-2009, 07:00 PM

I forgot I had this web site in my favorites

http://www.4btswaps.com

D.L.Rambo

Chris Hill · 10-24-2009, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by magnumv8

I forgot I had this web site in my favorites

http://www.4btswaps.com

D.L.Rambo

Nice site. My main question is what to use for trans and converter and how much power can be made reliably and without spending a ton of money. Application would be 2wd and probally a car or 1/2 ton pick-up.

340Cuda · 10-25-2009, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Curt Rees

Chris,

I beleive the 1st generation of Dodge diesels, 1989 through--??, came with Allisons. My 02 was a Chrysler (junk) product.

I am not sure of the year that the Allisons were dropped. Again, maybe someone else might shed some light.

#5457

Curt Rees

Curt,
I with the exception of the Aisen transmissions that come in the new Dodge Cab and Chassis, I don't think any Cummins powered Dodge has ever had anything but a Mopar automatic of some sort behind it. Until the six speed automatic that is now availble, the manual was always the better choice.
Bill

Curt Rees · 10-25-2009, 10:19 AM

Bill,

I just googled the '89 Dodge diesel pickup options. The 1st generation could be had with a manual or a 3 speed automatic. I could not find anything on what the model of the auto was.

All 3 of the Dodge's I have owned had a Mopar automatic for a transmission. As stated the 2002 trans was junk., I think only produced 1 year.

The best thing about my 2005 is fuel mileage. 22+ at 75 on the interstate! 18+ stop and go.

#5457

Curt Rees

Dean Feiock · 10-25-2009, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Hill

Will a Mopar 727 or 904 transmission (sb or bb bellhousing) work behind a 5.9L cummins engine?

I'm thinking the OEM application would be a 1991 or 1992 dodge pick-up.

Thanks,

Chris

Chris,
To date, the Cummins has had six automatics put behind it. They are:

1) 727-Chrysler built
2) 47RH-Chrysler built-basically a 727 with an OD unit and Hydraulic Governor
3) 47RE-Chrysler built-basically a 727 with an OD unit and Electronic Governor
4) 48RE-Chrysler built-basically a 727 with an OD unit and Electronic Governor-High Torque Capacity
5) AS68RC-Built by Aisin Seiki-Six Speed-Fully Electronic-Has PTO Provision
6) 68RFE-Chrysler built-Six Speed-Fully Electronic

Starting with the 47RH, the alpha-numeric code describes the model designation:
The 4 means 4 forward gears---- a 6 means 6 forward gears
The 7 means high torque capacity-----an 8 would be the highest torque capacity
The R means rear wheel drive
The H means hydraulic control----the E means Electronic Control-----the FE means Fully Electronic Control

As already stated, the Cummins has it's own bellhousing pattern or block plate pattern-however you want to describe it. It is different than the SB and BB patterns. As already stated you could switch the block plate if you wanted to try a Ford or GM transmission.

If you are not going to use a controller, the 727 or 47RH would be your only option as they require no electronics to function.

Send me a PM if you have more questions

dragst racer · 10-26-2009, 04:45 PM

You might call A&A Transmission in IN. or check out their web site they are good with automatics especially those Chrys. Phone 317-831-3066 or aandatrans.com or aandatransmission.com

Jeff Teuton · 10-26-2009, 05:57 PM

89-91 had a 727 trans. Will fit a Viper or Iron V10 and the Cummins.

Dave Tincher · 10-28-2009, 09:12 AM

Here is what I did. I have a 89 jeep wrangler with a 4bt cummins with twin turbos estimated around 130 hp 550 ftlbs I am using a 700 R4 with the updated (4L60) internal parts, so it has o.d and lock up converter. So you can use anything you want. You just have to make it work or spend around $1600 for the adapters,

10-23-2009, 06:35 PM	#11
magnumv8 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Coraopolis, Pa. Posts: 172 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 727 or 904 behind Cummins in a Ram Truck What's neat and why you see it alot is the Cummins 4BT and 6BTdiesels have been used by Dodge, GM and Ford in various chassis over the years (a long time) and the key item is the adaptor plate....this isn't an after market item, but a necessary piece to make the engines compatible for all the different manufacturers.....bread trucks were/are great places to find these engine/trans combos and since Ford and GM both built them the chassis would usually have the 4BT and either one of the matching trannys with the appropriate adaptor plate (the 4BT and 6BT generally use the same adaptor.....if you go on EBAY and do some general searches on 4BT, 6BT in parts there usually is some things there to let you see what these are...... D. L. Rambo

10-23-2009, 07:00 PM	#12
magnumv8 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Coraopolis, Pa. Posts: 172 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 727 or 904 behind Cummins in a Ram Truck I forgot I had this web site in my favorites http://www.4btswaps.com D.L.Rambo

10-25-2009, 10:19 AM	#15
Curt Rees Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ft. Pierre, SD Posts: 355 Likes: 405 Liked 236 Times in 49 Posts	Re: 727 or 904 behind Cummins in a Ram Truck Bill, I just googled the '89 Dodge diesel pickup options. The 1st generation could be had with a manual or a 3 speed automatic. I could not find anything on what the model of the auto was. All 3 of the Dodge's I have owned had a Mopar automatic for a transmission. As stated the 2002 trans was junk., I think only produced 1 year. The best thing about my 2005 is fuel mileage. 22+ at 75 on the interstate! 18+ stop and go. #5457 Curt Rees __________________ Curt Rees 5457 SS Last edited by Curt Rees; 10-25-2009 at 10:22 AM.

10-26-2009, 04:45 PM	#17
dragst racer Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 16 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 727 or 904 behind Cummins in a Ram Truck You might call A&A Transmission in IN. or check out their web site they are good with automatics especially those Chrys. Phone 317-831-3066 or aandatrans.com or aandatransmission.com

10-26-2009, 05:57 PM	#18
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: 727 or 904 behind Cummins in a Ram Truck 89-91 had a 727 trans. Will fit a Viper or Iron V10 and the Cummins. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

10-28-2009, 09:12 AM	#19
Dave Tincher Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Elizabethtown IN Posts: 118 Likes: 1 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: 727 or 904 behind Cummins in a Ram Truck Here is what I did. I have a 89 jeep wrangler with a 4bt cummins with twin turbos estimated around 130 hp 550 ftlbs I am using a 700 R4 with the updated (4L60) internal parts, so it has o.d and lock up converter. So you can use anything you want. You just have to make it work or spend around $1600 for the adapters, __________________ Dave Tincher 306 SS