National Records Poll

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by west coast

Here is an idea, anybody that runs faster then the current national record gets torn down and if passed gets the record. This would put the fear back into passing a teardown and curb the cheating. If the record was at a minimum people would be scared and change to a class that does have a actual record which would make more heads up runs and get combos in line

This makes too much sense but would also take too much time. Back in the "good-old-days" many of the NHRA employees were "volunteers", Now because of government intervention they are all paid, hourly workers and NHRA doesn't want to afford them.

[Frank Castros]

Does a $20 to 25K stipend for16 Technical inspectors at Indy sound reasonable?

[JGrossijr]

Agree with the poll question, but what's the point of being a record holder anymore? With AHFS in place, being a record holder doesn't necessarily indicate you're the fastest in class. There are more than 65 classes in stock and all but 11 are at minimum. There are more than 125 classes in Super Stock (Crazy) and all but 8 are at minimum. In my opinion, the ability to set records isn't as much of a problem as the penalty for going fast. The only way to take advantage of being fast, is to hide how fast a car is until it's needed in a heads-up race, and then only use what you need to get the job done. It's arguably not a whole lot different than throttle stop racing that so many of us abhor.

I think a better conversation would be how do we incentivize displays of performance capability in Stock & Super Stock.
Here are my suggestions.

• Qualified fields at all national events. Raise the quotas and qualify 32, 64, or 128
• Points for qualifying position
• Pro ladder
• Lane choice to higher qualifier
• Points for setting records
• Points for class round wins
• Consolidate classes to create more heads-up racing
• Some kind of award or special recognition for being #1 qualifier
• Special race for top qualifier points earners
  

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by JGrossijr

The only way to take advantage of being fast, is to hide how fast a car is until it's needed in a heads-up race, and then only use what you need to get the job done.

I think a better conversation would be how do we incentivize displays of performance capability in Stock & Super Stock.

"The incentive" absolutely has to be there otherwise every Racer will eventually be running "junk" just like me. What "incentive" does NHRA give to Racers to NOT run "junk"? I DO understand the personal satisfaction thing. I've gotten over that.

As far as the "how fast a car is until it's needed" thing, I'm pretty sure that we (the Racers) all know who's fast and how fast they can go.

[DG]

Originally Posted by JGrossijr

Agree with the poll question, but what's the point of being a record holder anymore? With AHFS in place, being a record holder doesn't necessarily indicate you're the fastest in class. There are more than 65 classes in stock and all but 11 are at minimum. There are more than 125 classes in Super Stock (Crazy) and all but 8 are at minimum. In my opinion, the ability to set records isn't as much of a problem as the penalty for going fast. The only way to take advantage of being fast, is to hide how fast a car is until it's needed in a heads-up race, and then only use what you need to get the job done. It's arguably not a whole lot different than throttle stop racing that so many of us abhor.

I think a better conversation would be how do we incentivize displays of performance capability in Stock & Super Stock.
Here are my suggestions.

• Qualified fields at all national events. Raise the quotas and qualify 32, 64, or 128
• Points for qualifying position
• Pro ladder
• Lane choice to higher qualifier
• Points for setting records
• Points for class round wins
• Consolidate classes to create more heads-up racing
• Some kind of award or special recognition for being #1 qualifier
• Special race for top qualifier points earners
  

Agree, but would add that the AHFS needs to be corrected by only adding horsepower when a engine combination has an average in the data base more than 1 second under the index.

[VE6DRW]

Agree - as long as they make two qualifying passes at the same event with the ETs within 1% of each other. On a representative fastest run of 10.00, that would be a 2nd run no slower than 10.10.

[Larry Hill]

I would like to see a record be listed until it is broken.

[Adger Smith]

The 8 records in Super Stock
Record vs Index
SS/CA 8.86 10.05 -- 1.21
SS/KA 10.49 11.25 -- .76
SS/BS 8.92 9.65 -- .73
SS/AM 8.00 9.00 -- 1.00
SS/CM 8.88 9.50 -- .62
SS/FM 9.86 10.50 -- .64
GT/QA 10.74 11.75 -- 1.01
SS/TB 8.94 9.90 -- .86

5 of the 8 fall in the AHFS averages
3 are quicker than 1.00
The numbers seem to show that
assuming the records will impact the AHFS is assuming alot.
Only 3 out of the 8had real impact on the AHFS.
These 8 may not be the fastest in each class, but they are the record setters. They put up a number that says "Go faster than this and you will be the record setter"
The list of "Things to do" by JRGrossi Jr. are (IMHO) good reccomendations, with the exception of the number of qualified in the field. In this day and age as expenses increase an all run field seems fair to me. "Qualified fields at all national events. Raise the quotas and qualify 32, 64, or 128" seems to be more "Elitist' rather than an incentive.

[Bobby Fazio]

Looking for info about Captain Jack and another racer who set records this weekend @ Indy. Would like to give them shout out on tonight's podcast 8:30EST. Also want to make sure their info is accurate for the December issue of National Dragster.

[JIM MARSHALL]

I know Brian Oakes set the SS/CA record at Rockingham this weekend
Brian and I where the number one qualifiers this past weekend