History Repeats itself

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by STK1217

Didn't Ray Golonka get the 77-79 Cadillac's entered in to the guide and engine specs?

No, they were already in the guide.

[Dan Fahey]

Mike Baker is trying to get a new 2013 V6 Mustang Classified into Pure Stock.

If interested in adding a new car Mike will send you a Classification form.
Just add the information and collaborate with Mike.

FWIW GM is not sending information on the Caddy and other GM Cars.
This was a topic on an earlier posting on Class Racer.

Wonder if NHRA will add the new Impala SS?
Think Racers will have to persist and help IHRA with data.
I feel IHRA will help. Just overwhelmed with other things to do.
Do not think NHRA is interested in seeking these new cars.

I am repeating a rumor so cannot validate but it is said NHRA has not updated the Classification Guide since 2008, except for the new super cars.

I wonder if IHRA would allow a crew of Volunteer Racers to help build Classification Guides?

Dan

[Jim D'Amore]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

Mike Baker is trying to get a new 2013 V6 Mustang Classified into Pure Stock.

If interested in adding a new car Mike will send you a Classification form.
Just add the information and collaborate with Mike.

FWIW GM is not sending information on the Caddy and other GM Cars.
This was a topic on an earlier posting on Class Racer.

Wonder if NHRA will add the new Impala SS?
Think Racers will have to persist and help IHRA with data.
I feel IHRA will help. Just overwhelmed with other things to do.
Do not think NHRA is interested in seeking these new cars.

I am repeating a rumor so cannot validate but it is said NHRA has not updated the Classification Guide since 2008, except for the new super cars.

I wonder if IHRA would allow a crew of Volunteer Racers to help build Classification Guides?

Dan

Dan,

so only the car manufacturer can have the specs put into the guide book. Basically they control what type of cars we can race?

Jim D'Amore

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Jim D'Amore

Dan,

so only the car manufacturer can have the specs put into the guide book. Basically they control what type of cars we can race?

Jim D'Amore

Pretty much!

[Mike Carr]

I read one topic on here, and overheard another conversation at the track this year. People went to someone at Ford and asked to have some of the other Mustangs put into the Class Guide. The response was "We want CobraJets on the track, racing. Period".

Probably the same for GM and Mopar as well. Pretty sad. A younger person, like me, who goes to the track, watches the Factory SuperCar Showdown or Stock Eliminator and wants to get into Class Racing. They go to NHRA and ask about their own car, and NHRA says "Sorry, your Mustang/Challenger/Camaro//Import/whatever isn't legal to race". The kid asks what he/she has to do, and would basically be told "Go spend six figures on a factory racecar". Since 90+% of todays youth can not afford that, they decide to go race elsewhere. Opportunity lost by NHRA and the OEM's, for not allowing the car(s) that kids DO have, to be able to race with us and no new blood coming into our sport/Classes. Unless it's rich blood. Way to go, dumbasses....

[Lou Jeffery]

Let me start by saying that ALL involvement by the Big three in drag racing is GREAT!!!!! and appreciated. However it would be impossible to defend the horsepower ratings and vehicle weights when comparing actual production cars to factory race cars. Some of the factory race combos are rated lower than 70s smog motors or the current production V-6s.
Late model factory race cars can be understood easier as Assault weapons. They are rated and factored NOT to compete but to ASSAULT other combos.

[Dan Wilson]

Dodge now has the street Challenger 5.7 that is in added to the guide.
Dan

[ALMACK]

For what it is worth:

I sent an e-mail last week to Mike Baker with IHRA about the 2011-2014 Mustang 3.7 V-6 in Pure Stock.

After finding out that the car is not currently allowed in PS, this is what I asked:

"O.K.
Thanks Mike.
Who would submit the specs ?
Would that be Ford Motor Co. ?
Or....does a racer submit those ?

Thanks,
Alan"


This was his response:

"Ford spec obtained from Ford. Sometimes an interested competitor makes it happen"



So it does appear that a class racer could submit engine specs to IHRA for consideration.

However....it appears to me that the sticky point about the new 3.7 V-6 in Pure Stock will be the variable can timing.
Is there any way IHRA can check that ?

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by ALMACK

For what it is worth:

I sent an e-mail last week to Mike Baker with IHRA about the 2011-2014 Mustang 3.7 V-6 in Pure Stock.

After finding out that the car is not currently allowed in PS, this is what I asked:

"O.K.
Thanks Mike.
Who would submit the specs ?
Would that be Ford Motor Co. ?
Or....does a racer submit those ?

Thanks,
Alan"


This was his response:

"Ford spec obtained from Ford. Sometimes an interested competitor makes it happen"



So it does appear that a class racer could submit engine specs to IHRA for consideration.

However....it appears to me that the sticky point about the new 3.7 V-6 in Pure Stock will be the variable can timing.
Is there any way IHRA can check that ?

Would not worry about that.

IT they came with and without would be two different HP ratings.

D

[Lew Silverman]

Not wishing to put words in anyone's mouth, but I think Mike may have meant that an "interested competitor" could somehow convince Ford (or GM, Chrysler/Fiat, Toyota, etc.) to publish the specifications to allow inclusion into the Classification and Engine Blueprint Guides. The information should be available, as I am sure the OEM's have to furnish most of it to various governmental agencies in order to be allowed to market their products. Whether they WANT to release that information on vehicles which they have decided they have no desire to market for drag racing competition (which seems to be the almost overwhelming answer we have been receiving since the last full update of the Guides') will be the big problem.