index lowering

[Todd Hoven]

Lowering the indexes helps some and hurts others. There are a few new/beginning racers out there trying to get established. To keep them coming back and not getting discouraged, I say keep the indexes where they are.
I?d like to see a change in the AFHS rule, where the mineshaft rule is brought back. That at least makes the racing where the conditions are favorable, fun because you don?t have to kill the car so much it?s difficult to do and at least if someone goes fast it doesn?t kill the combo,
I?d like to see the GT classification rule applied to stock that allows cars that can safely, and legally move more than one class from the natural designation. That would allow some car that can get light or heavy enough to run a harder class, and not have to run so soft.

[StockerStang912]

I'm sure many feel constrained by the AFHS rules and trying to manage a combo's horsepower and lowering indexes are a way to accommodate that. I don't necessarily see where this encourages more actual heads-up ...certainly less 1,000 foot or detuned qualifying, but doesn't really move the needle in the "spirit" of heads-up class races.

I'd rather see consideration for class consolidation (i.e. sticks and autos combined into 1, reduced weight breaks, etc.) if the goal is to encourage heads up racing. But if most racers really don't want this and it's more important to try and qualify better, than the index piece is a good solution for that. Just depends on what goal is trying to be accomplished.

As far as new blood, S/SS is a really tough sell to a younger crowd even though it's an awesome class (I'm 37 which puts me on the real "young" side of the curve). It's expensive, nuanced, sort-of-performance-but-not and really tough to win. I don't think lowering indexes helps draw more participation, but also don't think it matters much as 2 tenths are not keeping 50 new cars from being built...lot of other things would impact the challenging draw for younger people.

[HR9121]

I don't think lowering the indexes solve the problem as stated I think it just discourages people from entering with a new combination. What would help is actually letting the AHFS do it's job. Every race that it could actually do some good at people are lobbying for those runs not to count is exactly why it hasn't done anything in the past couple years. Raising the automatic hit to 1.30 and extending the review period to the entire year has made it almost impossible for anyone to actually get the horsepower and for the system to get some of these combinations inline.
If the current rules were in place a few years ago my Stocker would still be at 245/263 instead of 245/281.
Ed 1320 I'll have to disagree with you on your 10-15 year prediction since everyone was saying the same thing 10-15 years ago and Stock and SS still remain the highest entries at division races and are the most difficult to enter National events.

[El Duderino]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

I?ll continue to state my opinion where and when I choose, there is no requirement that anyone posting in this forum must be an active participant in Stock or Super Stock, if that were the case, many who reply here currently would not be permitted. No one except Ken will tell me otherwise. Now what part of the truth and the facts in my previous reply don?tt you like that you fear the NHRA will use to somehow impact stock and super stock racers?

Wow. What a Karen..did your old lady get a hold of your computer? Surely you are not this sensitive

[1320racer]

El Douche is back again, aka imakehp aka Dave Kemblowski from DRR a pathetic old man that ain't ever done shyt on the track and no longer races, he had a reputation of being a hack with 1 reviewer referring to him as a "churlish slob" when he owned The Balance Shop in Cali and his only reason for posting on Class Racer is to bait me, having joined this forum on 1-14-24 with 16 of his current 17 posts commenting about me/my replies while he attempts to hide behind a computer screen, scared to own his comments. He's a self proclaimed billy badass that never got respect in the racing community and clearly was bullied in school with that last name.

[El Duderino]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

El Douche is back again, aka imakehp aka Dave Kemblowski from DRR a pathetic old man that ain't ever done shyt on the track and no longer races, he had a reputation of being a hack with 1 reviewer referring to him as a "churlish slob" when he owned The Balance Shop in Cali and his only reason for posting on Class Racer is to bait me, having joined this forum on 1-14-24 with 16 of his current 17 posts commenting about me/my replies while he attempts to hide behind a computer screen, scared to own his comments. He's a self proclaimed billy badass that never got respect in the racing community and clearly was bullied in school with that last name.

More sensitivity?I guess men really can become female

[Frank Castros]

You never will until you compete on the same level. Mind your own business.

[Frank Castros]

In the late 1970s I aspired to compete is A/SA with Jerry Stein and David LeBrun in D1 and others like Dan Dvorak, Al Corda, Mark Wilson, Wes Leopold Jr. and surely failing to mention several great racers.
We did well, took our lumps and never complained, just listened and work hard to improve our program and we did it our own way.
But we competed against the best Ed and realized our dream that enabled me to have the ability to voice my opinion as one of them.
Unlike you. You are not a SS/ STK racer, Go away and compete are what you do best.
You are nothing more than a big mouthed wanna be.

[Frank Castros]

Buy a Stocker or convert your beautiful Firebird back to Super Stock and let your talented son race among the best of this forum and prove you belong.

[Frank Castros]

Oh by the way I want this to succeed for you.