1967-68 SS/C-D Hemi B-Body: Cold Air or Flat Hood?

[Steve Stasko]

The R023 car. Note the stripe and 1/4 window lettering.

[Rat Patrol]

Originally Posted by Steve Stasko

There is no scoop to explain before March of 1967. Sox had two cars at the start of '67...the flat hood Hemi Belvedere (383 car originally), and the twin scooped 440 GTX (white interior). The third car was the R023 which came later (May). There are plenty of early 1967 photos showing the first two cars with their old white hauler before they got the new R/W/B hauler later that year. Also, if you look at early photos of the white interior car...it did not have the Belvedere trim on it, that was added later.

The 383 car was kept through '68. After the R0 scoop came available, it was converted. They put a rectangular Hemi badge on the front edge of the fender where the Belvedere nameplate normally was. The R0 car always had both name plates on it (Belvedere & Hemi). This is all documentable by publicly available photos. The photos I attached are the converted 383 car.

Jim Skarbek wanted to buy Ronnie's '67 car, but Ronnie was contractually obligated by Chrysler to continue running it into 1968. Sox & Martin prepared Skarbek a B029 car instead. Sam Carroll bought the 440 car.

Charbonneau ran his '66 from the year before, he got a '67 Fairlane not long after. Grotheer also ran his '66. Grotheer never had an R0 car...his '67 car was built from a 6-cylinder car using the driveline from the '66 car he had.

The '68 explanation is the whole topic of this post. Chrysler submitted bogus paperwork and NHRA allowed the scooped hood on the '67 cars. If you ran in Belvedere or Coronet 440 trim, you ran C. If you ran as a GTX or Coronet R/T...you ran D. NHRA put a stop to this, and that's why Sox put the twin scooped hood on his car for Englishtown. Geoff Stunkard covered that years ago in one of his articles in the collector's guide.

The info is out there man, you've got to want it, and you're not going to find the answers in anything written by Larry Davis or Jim Schild.

OK, All of that makes a lot of sense..and it brings on one more question....caused by the bogus paperwork issue.....

Lets deal with the RO23 -

It ran SS/B for most of 67.

It ran SS/D at 68 Winters - dd it run at all at the 68 Nats?

And what class did tje RO23s run in 69, SS/D or SS/E...I have results lists showing both....hence my confusion.

BTW, I’m an Aussie..we don’t get the old cool magazines you guys got - So when compiling my web site I had to rely on ‘the books’, a few mags I bought on Ebay...and asking lots of dumb questions of people like you.

Ive also got to know quite a few old school racers...Ed Miller, JG Elliot, Tom Myl....but memories fail.

Thank you for the pics...your explanation has parted the clouds��

[Steve Stasko]

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

OK, All of that makes a lot of sense..and it brings on one more question....caused by the bogus paperwork issue.....

Lets deal with the RO23 -

It ran SS/B for most of 67.

It ran SS/D at 68 Winters - dd it run at all at the 68 Nats?

And what class did tje RO23s run in 69, SS/D or SS/E...I have results lists showing both....hence my confusion����

ussue

The car that was running SS/D in '68 at the Winters was the converted 383 car. They had a twin scooped hood on it at Indy that year. See attached from both races.


They were still flopping between classes in '69 with trim/hood changes.

[Rat Patrol]

Originally Posted by Steve Stasko

The car that was running SS/D in '68 at the Winters was the converted 383 car. They had a twin scooped hood on it at Indy that year. See attached from both races.

They were still flopping between classes in '69 with trim/hood changes.

Gotcha. No wonder the results lists don’t make sense!

I have a couple of pics with Stricklers name on the door, was this for the 68 Nats?

[Steve Stasko]

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

Gotcha. No wonder the results lists don’t make sense!

I have a couple of pics with Stricklers name on the door, was this for the 68 Nats?

Dave ran the R0 car at Indy in '67.

[Rat Patrol]

Originally Posted by Steve Stasko

Dave ran the R0 car at Indy in '67.

Thank you! That concludes my investigation

There’s a guy on FB coming to the same wrong conclusions as me - I’ll precis your explanation and fill him in.

[Rat Patrol]

Steve - whats your guess on this car - looks to be a 440 - 67 SpringNats?

[Frank Castros]

Steve,
Your knowledge of all MOPAR especially Sox & Martin is outstanding. Please tell us more about yourself or feel free to send me a Private Message.
Frank

[Steve Stasko]

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

Steve - whats your guess on this car - looks to be a 440 - 67 SpringNats?

Yes...the 440 car. White interior, GTX emblem on the fender.

Frank...I'm a nobody in the grand scheme of all things Mopar. I just enjoy the history of Chrysler Racing, and searching for lost race cars. While I have done an extensive amount of research on '67 cars, my heart is with the '64 and '65 cars. The information I provided in this post is easily found across the web, especially if you search this particular forum. You just have to put the pieces of the puzzle together (dating photos, events, etc). I'm not claiming to be the end all expert on this, nor will I ever, because there's too many people that are gone now who could fill in blanks.

[Rat Patrol]

Originally Posted by Steve Stasko

Yes...the 440 car. White interior, GTX emblem on the fender.

Frank...I'm a nobody in the grand scheme of all things Mopar. I just enjoy the history of Chrysler Racing, and searching for lost race cars. While I have done an extensive amount of research on '67 cars, my heart is with the '64 and '65 cars. The information I provided in this post is easily found across the web, especially if you search this particular forum. You just have to put the pieces of the puzzle together (dating photos, events, etc). I'm not claiming to be the end all expert on this, nor will I ever, because there's too many people that are gone now who could fill in blanks.

Steve, do you use Facebook at all? I’ve compiled a couple of lists over time, of the A864 and A990 cars, original drivers and owners.

Have you seen them?