Hosepower on monday? - Page 2

tpoh815 · 03-21-2010, 11:13 AM

I like watching some cars running 10.30s at 100mph as well!!

SS Engine Guy · 03-21-2010, 01:42 PM

I thought that dropping the index .3 was the cure for everything in the S/SS world as we know it and correct factoring had nothing to do with anything.

Congratulations to Jeff T. A great racer! A super nice car! A great combination! And one class act!

Jared Jordan · 03-21-2010, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by junior barns

I dont blame Jeff at all for putting this combo together. The problem is NHRA! Not factoring new combos even close. This is what is a JOKE

Everbody talks about the old combos not factored right back in the day but these combos have been work on for 30+ years and given enhancements to get to where they are today. Now all of a sudden they are (atleast) 50hp behind!!!

NHRA what a JOKE

More than 50. That car of Teuton's has 150 hp on our 360. Ours isn't particularly fast, but you get the point...

magnumv8 · 03-21-2010, 05:00 PM

You need to realize that Chrysler never made a true HiPo 360 until the new DRAG PAK cars were released....(Li'L RED EXPRESS doesn't count)...the 360 DRAG PAK engine specs aren't even close to any 360 built before this package was created.....

D L RAMBO.....

Tom Moock · 03-21-2010, 07:12 PM

The reason i started this post was Nitro Joe said he was putting the free runs on his list and i was parked by the scales and not all cars weighted, I don`t think the free time-trails should count, But it his list. Tom

Jared Jordan · 03-21-2010, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by magnumv8

You need to realize that Chrysler never made a true HiPo 360 until the new DRAG PAK cars were released....(Li'L RED EXPRESS doesn't count)...the 360 DRAG PAK engine specs aren't even close to any 360 built before this package was created.....

D L RAMBO.....

I DO realize that. What I fail to understand is why the two combo's are within 3 classes of one another.

Let's compare shall we?

'79 360
9:1 CR
.455" lift
Flat tappet hydraulic lifter
Thermoquad
Cast Iron heads/manifold
1.88" intake valve 1.60" exhaust valve
Rated @ 289

5.9 Magnum
11.4:1 CR
.490" lift
Hydraulic roller lifter
1000 cfm throttle body w/injection
Aluminum heads/high rise aluminum manifold
2.02" intake valve 1.60" exhaust valve
Rated @ 275

I don't fault the car owner. The Teuton family is a great bunch of people and I congratulate them on their performance. However, that being said, that car should be in C or D not in H.

NHRA missed the boat on all the new cars. I know there's a valid argument to be made for underrating a new combination, but c'mon, these things (and CJ's) aren't even CLOSE to where they should be.

Jim Wahl · 03-21-2010, 08:59 PM

Couldn't agree with you more Jared. The cam in my '78 360 is even smaller @.423 and yet it is still rated at 289hp and the new 360 is rated @ 275! Also remember the car ran 10.50 @ 127 on Thursday. I'm sure there is plenty left! This is very similar to when the LS1 first came out. Jim

Jared Jordan · 03-21-2010, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

Couldn't agree with you more Jared. The cam in my '78 360 is even smaller @.423 and yet it is still rated at 289hp and the new 360 is rated @ 275! Also remember the car ran 10.50 @ 127 on Thursday. I'm sure there is plenty left! This is very similar to when the LS1 first came out. Jim

Absolutely Jim. I remember when the LS1's debuted at Pomona in '95. Martha Thompson qualified #1 in G/SA. Now the same cars are still competitive in AA and A. Only took 15 years. I hope NHRA pulls their heads out a little sooner with regard to these combo's.

We used to run the .423" cam as well. The "new" motor has the "big" cam. LOL

Chris "drooze" Wertman · 03-21-2010, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

Couldn't agree with you more Jared. The cam in my '78 360 is even smaller @.423 and yet it is still rated at 289hp and the new 360 is rated @ 275! Also remember the car ran 10.50 @ 127 on Thursday. I'm sure there is plenty left! This is very similar to when the LS1 first came out. Jim

Im curious as to what people educated with this motor (albeit a hair different in a DP, and the DP Chassis)

What do you "guess" or reasonably think the 5.9 Combo is good for if someone were to let the tounge hang out ? And after the FI gets dialed in as well as other items noone is really familiar with yet on this particular motor ?

9.8 ish ? 10 flat ? 10.2 (I think its already capable of that but thats just a "feeling") ????

Im curious as to what an "educated" guess is on this combo.....my LA experience is 1 engine for a friend when I was about 20.....and taking them out of cars and putting them in storage (we are building a 70-74 Challenger LA block collection apparently)

I think Long term Mr Teuton made a Great choice from an Investment perspective, I think, maybe wrong I think only 5 were ordered ?

junior barns · 03-22-2010, 12:21 AM

jared jordan said

Absolutely Jim. I remember when the LS1's debuted at Pomona in '95. Martha Thompson qualified #1 in G/SA. Now the same cars are still competitive in AA and A. Only took 15 years. I hope NHRA pulls their heads out a little sooner with regard to these combo's

Use to be competitive in AA and A! I cant remember what these cars HP started out with or even where they are now only remember getting my but kicked by them until they moved to injected class until they worked the factor out! But, I dont think they were this far out of line! Like you said (more like 150hp short)

Class Racing is what we all do. We all like to think that if we work hard enough we can at the very least be competitive in a class run off. We put our trust in the NHRA to keep a sumwhat level paying field. A 2 tenth advantage is never good when your on the wrong end but it's manageable. But 5 to 8 tenth or more advantage will never work. The hp system will never catch up!

Yes some people will say ( If you cant keep up then get another car or get a diff combo) but what is going on now is not like finding an abscure combo that no one has run and going 2 sec under, its inserting cars in the heart of the classes where there are hundreds of people all over the country and now there cars are ALL obsolete

ps What I said before NHRA what a joke!!!

03-21-2010, 11:13 AM	#11
tpoh815 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: West Seneca Posts: 530 Likes: 51 Liked 20 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Hosepower on monday? I like watching some cars running 10.30s at 100mph as well!! __________________ EX 5-Doorstocker

03-21-2010, 01:42 PM	#12
SS Engine Guy Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: usa Posts: 256 Likes: 1 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Hosepower on monday? I thought that dropping the index .3 was the cure for everything in the S/SS world as we know it and correct factoring had nothing to do with anything. Congratulations to Jeff T. A great racer! A super nice car! A great combination! And one class act!

03-21-2010, 05:00 PM	#14
magnumv8 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Coraopolis, Pa. Posts: 172 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Hosepower on monday? You need to realize that Chrysler never made a true HiPo 360 until the new DRAG PAK cars were released....(Li'L RED EXPRESS doesn't count)...the 360 DRAG PAK engine specs aren't even close to any 360 built before this package was created..... D L RAMBO.....

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Tom Moock Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 801 Likes: 1 Liked 10 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Hosepower on monday? The reason i started this post was Nitro Joe said he was putting the free runs on his list and i was parked by the scales and not all cars weighted, I don`t think the free time-trails should count, But it his list. Tom __________________ Tom Moock 5704 STK

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Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,842 Likes: 636 Liked 674 Times in 122 Posts	Re: Hosepower on monday? Couldn't agree with you more Jared. The cam in my '78 360 is even smaller @.423 and yet it is still rated at 289hp and the new 360 is rated @ 275! Also remember the car ran 10.50 @ 127 on Thursday. I'm sure there is plenty left! This is very similar to when the LS1 first came out. Jim __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 D2 National Open Stock Champion 1981 D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association. Last edited by Jim Wahl; 03-21-2010 at 09:01 PM.

03-22-2010, 12:21 AM	#20
junior barns Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 539 Likes: 11 Liked 21 Times in 15 Posts	Re: Hosepower on monday? jared jordan said Absolutely Jim. I remember when the LS1's debuted at Pomona in '95. Martha Thompson qualified #1 in G/SA. Now the same cars are still competitive in AA and A. Only took 15 years. I hope NHRA pulls their heads out a little sooner with regard to these combo's Use to be competitive in AA and A! I cant remember what these cars HP started out with or even where they are now only remember getting my but kicked by them until they moved to injected class until they worked the factor out! But, I dont think they were this far out of line! Like you said (more like 150hp short) Class Racing is what we all do. We all like to think that if we work hard enough we can at the very least be competitive in a class run off. We put our trust in the NHRA to keep a sumwhat level paying field. A 2 tenth advantage is never good when your on the wrong end but it's manageable. But 5 to 8 tenth or more advantage will never work. The hp system will never catch up! Yes some people will say ( If you cant keep up then get another car or get a diff combo) but what is going on now is not like finding an abscure combo that no one has run and going 2 sec under, its inserting cars in the heart of the classes where there are hundreds of people all over the country and now there cars are ALL obsolete ps What I said before NHRA what a joke!!!