GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show

[KRatcliff]

Originally Posted by A56

LOL, that was much needed, and I thought you were all mine.

Mark Lelchook
D/ED F/SA

Dooood! What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas!

[Andrew Hill]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

My question to you is if you spent the money to run fast, your not much slower then newer cars in your class. I don't see guys like Kyle Ratcliff ( who has a 15 year old combo) who won class at INDY in C/SA bitc$ing. O that's right there to busy actually working on there car trying to improve it.

I bitch and work on my car in relatively equal amounts. I find it makes for a pretty good balance.

[KRatcliff]

Plus, you may be furry, but Charlie is better for the colder weather.

[Charley Downing]

Bruce I work full time as a reginal sale manager for THI Corp out of Ann Arbor Mi which makes pick up truck accessories like bedrugs and tonnos. I do help my dad on our family farm with whatever time I have left and maybe race cars now and then if Karle doesn't have other plans for me.

That is my point Andrews car is 30 years old and your car is one of the fastest D/SA cars in the country. Because you work on it and spend money in the right places and with the right people.

[Bruce Noland]

Charlie,
Andrew and his father have worked very hard on their cars and have had great results. But they will be the first to admit that they are not in the same zip code with the new mustangs.

Glad to hear you are working so hard. So I guess your father isn't financing your racing after all.

[Andrew Hill]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Bruce I work full time as a reginal sale manager for THI Corp out of Ann Arbor Mi which makes pick up truck accessories like bedrugs and tonnos. I do help my dad on our family farm with whatever time I have left and maybe race cars now and then if Karle doesn't have other plans for me.

That is my point Andrews car is 30 years old and your car is one of the fastest D/SA cars in the country. Because you work on it and spend money in the right places and with the right people.

I'm just saying there's plenty of time to complain along with working on our cars. Bruce's car has been 10.0s in A, not long ago that was really, really fast. I think it's fair to say he works on his car a bunch, and I bet it will be even faster next year.

Without all these, um, "discussions", what would we do to get through the winter?

[Bruce Noland]

Andrew, to avoid any confusion, my post above was for Charley. I have edited it by adding his name.

[Charley Downing]

It's funny Bruce 8 to 10 years ago you had a I/SA car that was a little under factored. You traveled the county beating people easily for class. Funny you never complained about HP back then. That's right you were winning then and now your not. Thats the difference.

Also Bruce if my dad wanted to finance myself or my brothers racing while we were in college that was his choice. If you can afford to help your kids out more power to you. I know I could not have afforded it 4 years ago. I bet Andrew feels the same way.

How many new cars fit into D/SA? I think that is a class dominated by old 1960's combos

[Andrew Hill]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Also Bruce if my dad wanted to finance myself or my brothers racing while we were in collage that was his choice. If you can afford to help your kids out more power to you. I know I could not have afforded it 4 years ago. I bet Andrew feels the same way.

I do agree with that, I couldn't race without my dad at this point in my life.

How many new cars fit into D/SA? I think that is a class dominated by old 1960's combos

The 352/363 Mustangs and the 360 Challengers, and it sounds like maybe a motor for a COPO. There is one 360 Challenger in division 3, and both of the 352 Mustangs I know of are out west, but that doesn't make them any less underfactored.

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

It's funny Bruce 8 to 10 years ago you had a I/SA car that was a little under factored. You traveled the county beating people easily for class. Funny you never complained about HP back then. That's right you were winning then and now your not. Thats the difference.

Also Bruce if my dad wanted to finance myself or my brothers racing while we were in collage that was his choice. If you can afford to help your kids out more power to you. I know I could not have afforded it 4 years ago. I bet Andrew feels the same way.

How many new cars fit into D/SA? I think that is a class dominated by old 1960's combos

Charley,

Let's get a few facts straight. My car was a regular production car. Anybody with $18,000.00 could have built the same car and some did. I still owned and raced that car when I started the factory experimental thread on this site which was the first post about the bogus new cars. I have no problem with your father financing your racing but I do have a problem with you telling me how to invest money in my car when you are basically catching a free ride. I think your father deserves a lot of credit.

And this discussion is still about bogus HP factors on your car and others. No matter how hard you try to mix things up out here, it's not about me or my car. It's about nhra and the oem's cheating the very racers who have supported both the nhra and the oem's for more than 40 years. It's cut throat behavior.

You missed two very fast mustangs at Indy that did not win class. They were dominating the older cars but suffered issues before taking their respective classes. One of them was in D/SA. Check it out.