Oddball Muscle Cars - Page 17

Dwight Southerland · 03-22-2010, 03:55 PM

Randall -
Maybe you were thinking about Bob Glidden and the Pinto?!? The Pinto was definitely more aerodynamic backwards than forward. Buddy Ingersoll repeated the test several years later with the turbo'ed car. I don't think you could make a Gremlin aerodynamic with a Sawzall.

Ed Fernandez · 03-22-2010, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Randall Klein

Just catching up on this thread, back on page 5, Ed F details the Gremlin 401, which got me "remembering".....do I recall correctly that when AMC & Wally Booth put the Pro Stock Gremlins in a wind tunnel, the Gremlin was better areodynamically backwards?

I think they switched to Hornets after that. At least that is what I think I remember!

Anyone?

Randall,if I'm not mistaken was that they took Wally's engine out of the gremlin and ran it in Maskins car.It supposedly went .15 quicker and 5 mph faster.Also Wally blew out a few back windows at about 149 mph.I've had people tell me about the running backwards thing over the years.
I finally got to speak to Wally last year at the York Reunion and got his autograph for the glove box of my car.A really nice man to speak to,and he is proud of what he accomplished with AMC.On the other hand I've heard that (second hand info)Maskins won't give the time of day to anyone approaching him in conversation about AMCs.
I guess us AMC guys live in a time warp.

Dennis P Chapman · 03-22-2010, 06:11 PM

Paul
Troxel had a sponsor I thing it was lubik olds he was from PA.

dakota tom · 03-22-2010, 10:43 PM

I remember reading a road test of a Olds 442 wagon. Thier biggest complaint was the vent windows hit the sport mirrors before the were open far enough to do much good. I think the car had AC anyway.

I wanted to build one too. In the late 70s I had an extra W-25 hood for a 71-72. A guy in town that had a repair shop/used car lot had a 71 vista cruiser. Blue and woodgrain,455 two barrell. Wouldn't sell it, it was a cheap car his girls could go out to the beach and haul thier stuff with. A couple of weeks later they crashed it. Frame rails were buckled and on the ground at the cowl. Didn't come accoss another one and sold the hood.

I do have a 1965 F-85 Wagon. I think 784 produced going by memory. No vista cruiser skylights. 330 2 barrell, turbine 300 with switch pitch, And posi. Maybe would make a stocker?

Paul Ceasrine · 03-23-2010, 03:53 AM

Dennis,
Lubik Olds was in Bordentown, NJ. Just south of Trenton, and right on the border of PA.
I think it was called the "Troxell Vista Bruiser". In 73', the K/SA cars were running 13.70's in the 'Pure Stock Era Class'.
In SS/NA in 72'/73'/74', the wagon with the 455 W-30 was a pretty good combination.
Power windows, with the little hand-crank for the vent window! NICE!!
Paul

blkjack · 03-23-2010, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by blkjack

Don't know if this was mentioned but there was a Hurst 455 Grand Prix in 70(?) as well. Never saw one in the flesh though

71 check it out

http://www.amazingmusclecars.com/HUR...hurst_cars.php

Paul Ceasrine · 03-24-2010, 06:43 AM

blackjack,
I posted some info earlier on the 70 Grand Prix SSJ. Really a
Lite-Weight Odd-Ball, only 3900lbs. But with the 4-speed and 3.42 posi
may have been the quickest of the bunch in the quarter-mile. 15.50's.

One-More-Beast; 1958 Chrysler 300-D, with a 392 Hemi, with EFI
(fuel injection). Rated at 390 HP. A land-barge at 4475 lbs.
1/4 mile = 16.00's @ 85mph.
A Whale-Sail-Tail.
Paul

Rory McNeil · 03-24-2010, 01:19 PM

How about a 1959 Mercury 2 door sedan with a 430 with 3 2 barrels rated at 400 HP. I have seen some video & a magazine article on a green example of this model, which ran low 14`s at the Pure Stock Musclecar Drags a couple of years ago.

Paul Ceasrine · 03-24-2010, 05:29 PM

Rory,
I would think the 59' Mercury maybe the "King" in the pre-60' era.
Not sure on the "King" of the pre-70' era.
But a nice ODD-BALL Tons-Of-Steel Match Race for 1970-and-later cars.
1970 Pontiad Grand Prix SSJ, 455/370HP H.O. (M-21 4-speed)
versus
1970 Plymouth Sport Fury GT, 440/390 Six-Barrell (Torque-Flite)
Not sure who wins the Best-of-3 Match Race, but the loser gets towed
to a scrap-metal/junkyard and comes back as (2) Toyota Corolla's.
Paul

Paul Ceasrine · 03-26-2010, 08:35 AM

DR289,
On a 'Lite-Weight Odd-Ball',
1965 Ford Falcon (Sedan/Post Car). Only 8 produced, Canadien cars only. 289/271HP ("K" Code or possibly "992 Code").
With 4-speed transmissions and traction-lock rear.
Damn things ran in B/Stock in 65'. Must have 'ripped' up some
'Heinys' up there in Ontario. Only 2600 lbs. and some change.
Dead-on 13.00's, must have grabbed a few GTO Tiger Tails!
PJC

03-22-2010, 03:55 PM	#161
Dwight Southerland VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Arkansas - In the middle of everything. Posts: 2,001 Likes: 64 Liked 780 Times in 194 Posts	Re: Oddball Muscle Cars Randall - Maybe you were thinking about Bob Glidden and the Pinto?!? The Pinto was definitely more aerodynamic backwards than forward. Buddy Ingersoll repeated the test several years later with the turbo'ed car. I don't think you could make a Gremlin aerodynamic with a Sawzall.

03-22-2010, 06:11 PM	#163
Dennis P Chapman VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Toms River NJ Posts: 1,594 Likes: 415 Liked 53 Times in 25 Posts	Re: Oddball Muscle Cars Paul Troxel had a sponsor I thing it was lubik olds he was from PA. __________________ Dennis P Chapman 1904 STK NHRA National Record Holder Car Owner.

03-22-2010, 10:43 PM	#164
dakota tom Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 13 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Oddball Muscle Cars I remember reading a road test of a Olds 442 wagon. Thier biggest complaint was the vent windows hit the sport mirrors before the were open far enough to do much good. I think the car had AC anyway. I wanted to build one too. In the late 70s I had an extra W-25 hood for a 71-72. A guy in town that had a repair shop/used car lot had a 71 vista cruiser. Blue and woodgrain,455 two barrell. Wouldn't sell it, it was a cheap car his girls could go out to the beach and haul thier stuff with. A couple of weeks later they crashed it. Frame rails were buckled and on the ground at the cowl. Didn't come accoss another one and sold the hood. I do have a 1965 F-85 Wagon. I think 784 produced going by memory. No vista cruiser skylights. 330 2 barrell, turbine 300 with switch pitch, And posi. Maybe would make a stocker? Last edited by dakota tom; 03-22-2010 at 10:45 PM.

03-23-2010, 03:53 AM	#165
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Oddball Muscle Cars Dennis, Lubik Olds was in Bordentown, NJ. Just south of Trenton, and right on the border of PA. I think it was called the "Troxell Vista Bruiser". In 73', the K/SA cars were running 13.70's in the 'Pure Stock Era Class'. In SS/NA in 72'/73'/74', the wagon with the 455 W-30 was a pretty good combination. Power windows, with the little hand-crank for the vent window! NICE!! Paul

03-24-2010, 06:43 AM	#167
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Oddball Muscle Cars blackjack, I posted some info earlier on the 70 Grand Prix SSJ. Really a Lite-Weight Odd-Ball, only 3900lbs. But with the 4-speed and 3.42 posi may have been the quickest of the bunch in the quarter-mile. 15.50's. One-More-Beast; 1958 Chrysler 300-D, with a 392 Hemi, with EFI (fuel injection). Rated at 390 HP. A land-barge at 4475 lbs. 1/4 mile = 16.00's @ 85mph. A Whale-Sail-Tail. Paul

03-24-2010, 01:19 PM	#168
Rory McNeil VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: from Vancouver BC Canada, now in Nova Scotia Posts: 1,311 Likes: 317 Liked 1,103 Times in 301 Posts	Re: Oddball Muscle Cars How about a 1959 Mercury 2 door sedan with a 430 with 3 2 barrels rated at 400 HP. I have seen some video & a magazine article on a green example of this model, which ran low 14`s at the Pure Stock Musclecar Drags a couple of years ago. __________________ NHRA 6390 STK M/S 85 Mustang

03-24-2010, 05:29 PM	#169
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Oddball Muscle Cars Rory, I would think the 59' Mercury maybe the "King" in the pre-60' era. Not sure on the "King" of the pre-70' era. But a nice ODD-BALL Tons-Of-Steel Match Race for 1970-and-later cars. 1970 Pontiad Grand Prix SSJ, 455/370HP H.O. (M-21 4-speed) versus 1970 Plymouth Sport Fury GT, 440/390 Six-Barrell (Torque-Flite) Not sure who wins the Best-of-3 Match Race, but the loser gets towed to a scrap-metal/junkyard and comes back as (2) Toyota Corolla's. Paul Last edited by Paul Ceasrine; 03-24-2010 at 05:34 PM. Reason: correction

03-26-2010, 08:35 AM	#170
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Oddball Muscle Cars DR289, On a 'Lite-Weight Odd-Ball', 1965 Ford Falcon (Sedan/Post Car). Only 8 produced, Canadien cars only. 289/271HP ("K" Code or possibly "992 Code"). With 4-speed transmissions and traction-lock rear. Damn things ran in B/Stock in 65'. Must have 'ripped' up some 'Heinys' up there in Ontario. Only 2600 lbs. and some change. Dead-on 13.00's, must have grabbed a few GTO Tiger Tails! PJC