What Stock rules would you change?

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by DG7050

With so many rumors of a few racers using manipulated ignition control boxes to control elapsed times, it may be time for NHRA to work with MSD to have certified ignition control boxes that can't be tampered with or can be easily checked by NHRA tech officials to determine if it's been illegally altered. I know this will be a challenge for the modern EFI cars, but something needs to be done. Maybe someone more knowledgeable than me has a better solution.

All NHRA has to do for this one would be to have a small collection of legal boxes (easily donated by MSD, Holley, Mallory) at the trailer and when you get weighed the racer is asked what box he is using. NHRA gives him a duplicate box with a receipt for HIS box and for the rest of the race the racer uses the NHRA box. After the racer is done racing, he goes back to the Tech trailer and gets HIS box back. Check your serial #.

[Roy Kinslow]

Originally Posted by Angelo DiTocco

I'd like to see the belts / harness rule go to 3 yrs (at least) because it would match the chassis certification time span. It would just make things a little easier to track - especially for those who have more than one race car.

Good idea, as long as we dont expect belts to cost the same for 3yrs as they do for 2 . One of the positive things the SFI and NHRA have done is create a healthy and stable market for alot of very low demand safety products that have very high potential for legal liability. A large percentage of the cost is for insurance, this would now have to be increased while sales in this market would decrease . There are at least a half dozen manufacturers for seat belts with a wide variety of prices and styles , even a few USA made . Make them last 3 or5 yrs and I think that would change and not for the better. If we are not careful we might make them even more expensive. Just saying, be careful what you wish for, you might get it.

[Alan Roehrich]

Take this for what it is worth


There are not a bunch of cars out there with ET controlling ignition boxes. That is about as true as the accusations made about 3-4 really good racers a few years ago regarding transbrakes, trick buttons, and delay boxes, by an individual that used to be on these boards.


And NHRA ain't gonna buy three or four hundred plus ignition boxes at $700+ each, haul them around, hand them out, and collect them after the race. MSD, Accel, and Holley ain't gonna donate them, either. Think about it, you HOPE that around a HUNDRED stockers show up at races in SEVEN different divisions. That's a ton of ignition boxes for someone to buy, haul around, hand out, collect, and otherwise keep up with. A logistical nightmare. NHRA doesn't want to pay tech people now. You really think their going to hire more?



If you are breaking valve train in your stocker, it's not going to be resolved by roller lifters. In fact, it will likely just become more expensive to start with, and result in far more catastrophic failures.


That's sort like people complaining about stock rocker arms. We never broke a stock rocker arm. We broke ONE used up rocker stud, before I learned about replacing old parts, and valve train stiffness. Every single stock rocker I saw broken was poorly prepared. And I saw a bunch, on expensive engines.


Here's the deal. Roller lifters will require entirely new lobe designs, and steel core cams. Both of which are expensive. Then there's lifters, etc, and the entirely new learning curve. How many roller cams do you want to buy to find out what's fast?



Sure, you can institute a new valve spring rule. And then you can buy ten new cams to make it work. Because the cam lobe designers will be busy, and Spin Tron time ain't cheap.


You are not going to reduce breakage or reduce expense with new rules.



You CAN decide to ENFORCE rules, and resolve a lot of it. You can reign in what has been let go, and resolve a lot of it.


When you think about rules, think about the health and longevity of the sport, and stop thinking everyone is cheating.


You guys need to talk to Wesley, Travis, and Dave. And then you need to talk to the guys who make your parts.


Class racing doesn't need new rules for the cars. It needs proper enforcement, and it needs PROMOTION. It needs to be seen, by a LOT more people


Y'all have fun now.

[B Parker]

Alan I agree.

How do we make a rule that you have to have INTEGRITY to race !
Integrity seems to be in short supply in the in all walks of life today.

[Cbrinson47]

Originally Posted by B Parker

Alan I agree.

How do we make a rule that you have to have INTEGRITY to race !
Integrity seems to be in short supply in the in all walks of life today.

I can see bracket racing replacing stock and S/S class racing in the future in NHRA national events. I' m not sure how long it will be before it becomes the norm but its coming like in IHRA. I will hate to see it happen.

[MR DERBY CITY]

Originally Posted by Cbrinson47

I can see bracket racing replacing stock and S/S class racing in the future.

I can see a woman president of the United States in the future.....

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Cbrinson47

I can see bracket racing replacing stock and S/S class racing in the future.

People have been saying that same thing since the 70s.
If you would like to see something more "specialized" than S/SS Racing, check out what it takes to competitively go bracket racing today!

[Dave Gantz]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

All NHRA has to do for this one would be to have a small collection of legal boxes (easily donated by MSD, Holley, Mallory) at the trailer and when you get weighed the racer is asked what box he is using. NHRA gives him a duplicate box with a receipt for HIS box and for the rest of the race the racer uses the NHRA box. After the racer is done racing, he goes back to the Tech trailer and gets HIS box back. Check your serial #.

If I spend $700 on an ignition, what happens after NHRA's box fails in my car at that race? Geez, the NHRA box could cost a racer a final round win, not to mention time lost chasing the problem. Sounds like socialism.

The seat belt thing has always been ridiculous. You can bet the belt makers will be against extending their life. They must love NHRA!
I have a street car that's quick enough for a roll bar, and thusly, belts. I don't mind the roll bar, but I don't even take it to the track every two years! How many cars never get to the track, and how many of them, as a result, aren't racing every weekend?

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Dave Gantz

If I spend $700 on an ignition, what happens after NHRA's box fails in my car at that race? Geez, the NHRA box could cost a racer a final round win, not to mention time lost chasing the problem. Sounds like socialism.

What happens after NHRA fails to find a box that's been tampered with and that box is in the car that beats you in the final round?!?
Maybe NHRA should stop doing tech altogether and just start handing out participation trophies.

[Cbrinson47]

Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY

I can see a woman president of the United States in the future.....

Thank goodness that did NOT happen 4 years ago !