Back from Indy-what's happened to Stock Eliminator??

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Nathan Stinson

I read it again Alan......nope still dont see where I called you a name only stated what I see. I am glad to see that you dont plan on retiring that is a good thing. So at this point what do you and said car owner do? (I assume you are talking about Kevin) Do you change with the game?? Do you keep spending his money and beating on a combo that is no longer competitive?? Do you wait for the rules to change back in your favor??
It doesnt bother me that you make a case for what you feel is right, I guess I just find myself wondering at what point it becomes futile to waste the effort bitching about something that you havent changed in a years worth of "Making your case"
I would never try and guess what the powers at NHRA might do in the future but as for now it appears they have made the decision and it doesnt bode well for your case.

It's his car. we'll keep working on it until he says otherwise. I seriously doubt he'll spend $75K to start over from scratch. I sure wouldn't.

What concern is it of yours to begin with? Seriously. There's something we have to wonder about. Since you do not race Stock Eliminator, exactly what is it that concerns you? Since you want to bring up futility.

[Nathan Stinson]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

It's his car. we'll keep working on it until he says otherwise. I seriously doubt he'll spend $75K to start over from scratch. I sure wouldn't.

What concern is it of yours to begin with? Seriously. There's something we have to wonder about. Since you do not race Stock Eliminator, exactly what is it that concerns you? Since you want to bring up futility.

No real concern I just asked a legitimate question and you gave me an answer, Thanks. In all of this banter back and forth with you I find it funny how in the end all you can come up with is to throw the fact up that I don't race stock, you have done it on several occasions, like that some how makes me beneath you. It really doesn't matter what I race, I am a drag racer and I happen to love class racing. I have raced stock before. I am a member of NHRA, have a competition license and a competition number. I have been on this board since 2006 and while I don't post often, when I am quoted I will respond with what I have to say.
The only thing that concerned me in this is like I said earlier: you started in on me after post 5 because I go against what some of you feel about the current state of stock racing and it has become your mission to disagree with all that go against that and get that message out. I hear your message Alan, but like I said the only part I agree with is that times have changed.

[Greg Hill]

Originally Posted by Nathan Stinson

No real concern I just asked a legitimate question and you gave me an answer, Thanks. In all of this banter back and forth with you I find it funny how in the end all you can come up with is to throw the fact up that I don't race stock, you have done it on several occasions, like that some how makes me beneath you. It really doesn't matter what I race, I am a drag racer and I happen to love class racing. I have raced stock before. I am a member of NHRA, have a competition license and a competition number. I have been on this board since 2006 and while I don't post often, when I am quoted I will respond with what I have to say.
The only thing that concerned me in this is like I said earlier: you started in on me after post 5 because I go against what some of you feel about the current state of stock racing and it has become your mission to disagree with all that go against that and get that message out. I hear your message Alan, but like I said the only part I agree with is that times have changed.

Nathan, I've been racing stock for the past 25 years and this is the first time I've ever even seen your name. What NHRA has done to stock eliminator is harmful to the class. All you have to do is look at the car counts at National events. You are entitled to your opinion, however you don't have a dog in this hunt so your opinion is just that your opinion and not relevant to most of us on this board.

[Ed Wright]

He is just looking for some attention.

[Bobby Zlatkin]

Originally posted by David Huff;
In the Stock Eliminator Final was a 2009 DP and a 2000 Chevy Z28 and it sure looks like the older cars can compete to me.

No reflection on anybody or anything. It just seems funny to me that a 2000 Chevy Z28 is considered an 'older car'.
I consider '60's cars "the older cars". Ha Ha, I guess I'm really showing my age without realizing it.

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by NewHemi

David Huff got it right, there was an "old car" in the final.

The presence of an "old car" in the final is totally irrelevant, as the complaint regarding the "competitiveness" is in regards to qualifying and heads-up runs. (not to mention more than probable, statistically, since old cars still make up the majority of the field) Just because heads-up runs don't occur every other pair does not mean they do not have potentially major ramifications for how the entire race plays out.

It *is* relevant that some drivers were potentially pushed out of the qualified field or eliminated in the early rounds in mismatched heads-up contests.

In fact as best I can tell, only one Challenger won stock eliminator at a Divisional, (Dodge Challenger 5.7 at Noble OK last year) and now only one Challenger has won Stock Eliminator at a National (Dodge Challenger 360 in Indy )...

5.9L's have won one national and two Pro-Ams this year in Super Stock (Mark Nowicki and myself), and Les Norton won the national at Salt Late with the 6.4L. Interesting historical notes, but again, totally irrelevant to the "bracket racing" side of Stock and Super Stock.

Were the new cars factored correctly? No. But lots of cars in the past weren't either. So what really is the point?

To correct the mistakes of the past, not repeat them.

$.02,

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Bobby Zlatkin

Originally posted by David Huff;
In the Stock Eliminator Final was a 2009 DP and a 2000 Chevy Z28 and it sure looks like the older cars can compete to me.

No reflection on anybody or anything. It just seems funny to me that a 2000 Chevy Z28 is considered an 'older car'.
I consider '60's cars "the older cars". Ha Ha, I guess I'm really showing my age without realizing it.

Simply means the 2000 Camaro didn't have a heads-up with a DP or Mustang.