What Stock rules would you change? - Page 13

Billy Nees · 10-19-2020, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

Also, there needs to be fresh thinking to be able to break out of the current "formula" of 50-year old cars to expand the category.

Ya mean like more 2000-2010 cars in the guide that can be affordable to buy and race? And yeah, I mean FWD stuff too. And maybe 1 or 2 more FWD classes.

Dave Gantz · 10-19-2020, 10:07 AM

I've always loved the concept of S/SS. The concept of competing using a set of rules that everyone must follow promotes getting the most out of a given combination. This, to me, has always been inspiring, motivating and invigorating. I've been a bracket racer, and understand that the cost and complexity of class racing make bracket racing a reality, but it lacks the "look what can be done with stock parts" aspect. Who hasn't run their car at a bracket race and not amazed their fellow participants by their performance? (And yes, S/SS ain't as Stock, and is a lot more Super than they used to be.)

The NHRA seems to be slowly eliminating S/SS. It presents an extremely tedious enforcement process. They don't seem to want the related tech inspections, tear downs, HP adjustments, etc., etc., anymore. The pool of people qualified to do all of the work required to keep up the integrity of the class must be rather small, and getting smaller.

Not to mention NHRA executives that probably don't get the concept, and would rather concentrate on the money they can generate in other classes. They could be rather short sighted, as such, because there are indirect ways of generating income in the long term by maintaining such classes as S/SS.

A big reason I'm no longer a member of the "club" is because the people that run it don't communicate with their own members. The very members that spend on memberships, and an ever expanding list of "enhancements". I'd like to know what Wally Parks would think of the way things are now.

Bottom line: I think the only rule changes they will make will be to make things simpler for them.

I've read on here that NHRA reads this forum. If that's so NHRA, please come on here and speak to your members.

Mark Yacavone · 10-19-2020, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Ya mean like more 2000-2010 cars in the guide that can be affordable to buy and race? And yeah, I mean FWD stuff too. And maybe 1 or 2 more FWD classes.

Yes. If NHRA was truly interested in entry level car, there needs to be a FWD class in between 19 lbs. and 25 lbs. !
Also , see my post on X/ Stock.

http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=74658

Dyno · 10-19-2020, 06:04 PM

With all of the newer "flood cars" available, it can be cheaper to start with a newer body style and build a car, than to look for a 60's or 70's classic and have to replace body panels,floor pans etc. just to get started. Many different combinations from the manufacturers are out there. There not all "dime rockets", but can be built for much less than a new COPO, Drag Pak or Cobra Jet.

joe huestis · 10-19-2020, 10:48 PM

The rear drive Dodge Chargers, Magnums, Challengers, Mustangs, Pontiac G8s,Chevy SS, and Late model Chevy Caprice police package cars need to be placed in the guide. All V8 and V6 combos available in all these models. All years up to the current models.

Mike Schwartz · 10-20-2020, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by joe huestis

The rear drive Dodge Chargers, Magnums, Challengers, Mustangs, Pontiac G8s,Chevy SS, and Late model Chevy Caprice police package cars need to be placed in the guide. All V8 and V6 combos available in all these models. All years up to the current models.

Too many years where only one model out of a manufacturer's entire lineup is listed. And it is usually the one that they need for the limited-availability non-VIN package cars.

4284spd · 10-20-2020, 12:48 AM

Ban auto trans! There boring!

GTOMayhem · 10-20-2020, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Yes. If NHRA was truly interested in entry level car, there needs to be a FWD class in between 19 lbs. and 25 lbs. !
Also , see my post on X/ Stock.

http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=74658

And more weight breaks in between the other FWD classes.

Rick Thomason
GTOMayhem

sammy pizzolato · 10-21-2020, 03:51 PM

There should not be any heads up runs between fuel injected cars and carb cars. and a way to stop the sand baggers make a rule to where if you have a heads up run you cant go faster then one tenth of what you qualifyed at. and yes they should change the seat belt rule to five years.

Mike Schwartz · 10-21-2020, 05:39 PM

There are cars in Stock that are quicker than some cars in Competition. Perhaps there should be a reevaluation of what classes belong in Competition, in Super Stock and in Stock? Performance? Cost? Allowable modifications?

How about moving Stock classes where cars have made passes under 9.00 into SS, as a beginning?

10-19-2020, 10:07 AM	#122
Dave Gantz Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Verrry South Jersey Posts: 537 Likes: 134 Liked 251 Times in 125 Posts	Re: What Stock rules would you change? I've always loved the concept of S/SS. The concept of competing using a set of rules that everyone must follow promotes getting the most out of a given combination. This, to me, has always been inspiring, motivating and invigorating. I've been a bracket racer, and understand that the cost and complexity of class racing make bracket racing a reality, but it lacks the "look what can be done with stock parts" aspect. Who hasn't run their car at a bracket race and not amazed their fellow participants by their performance? (And yes, S/SS ain't as Stock, and is a lot more Super than they used to be.) The NHRA seems to be slowly eliminating S/SS. It presents an extremely tedious enforcement process. They don't seem to want the related tech inspections, tear downs, HP adjustments, etc., etc., anymore. The pool of people qualified to do all of the work required to keep up the integrity of the class must be rather small, and getting smaller. Not to mention NHRA executives that probably don't get the concept, and would rather concentrate on the money they can generate in other classes. They could be rather short sighted, as such, because there are indirect ways of generating income in the long term by maintaining such classes as S/SS. A big reason I'm no longer a member of the "club" is because the people that run it don't communicate with their own members. The very members that spend on memberships, and an ever expanding list of "enhancements". I'd like to know what Wally Parks would think of the way things are now. Bottom line: I think the only rule changes they will make will be to make things simpler for them. I've read on here that NHRA reads this forum. If that's so NHRA, please come on here and speak to your members.

10-19-2020, 06:04 PM	#124
Dyno Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 916 Likes: 1,137 Liked 685 Times in 204 Posts	Re: What Stock rules would you change? With all of the newer "flood cars" available, it can be cheaper to start with a newer body style and build a car, than to look for a 60's or 70's classic and have to replace body panels,floor pans etc. just to get started. Many different combinations from the manufacturers are out there. There not all "dime rockets", but can be built for much less than a new COPO, Drag Pak or Cobra Jet.

10-19-2020, 10:48 PM	#125
joe huestis Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Youngsville, N.C. Posts: 623 Likes: 280 Liked 409 Times in 113 Posts	Re: What Stock rules would you change? The rear drive Dodge Chargers, Magnums, Challengers, Mustangs, Pontiac G8s,Chevy SS, and Late model Chevy Caprice police package cars need to be placed in the guide. All V8 and V6 combos available in all these models. All years up to the current models. __________________ Joe Huestis "Annie's Song" Racing U/SA 2724 Youngsville, NC

10-20-2020, 12:48 AM	#127
4284spd VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Longmont Colorado Posts: 1,709 Likes: 848 Liked 4,139 Times in 950 Posts	Re: What Stock rules would you change? Ban auto trans! There boring! __________________ Bob Smith

10-21-2020, 03:51 PM	#129
sammy pizzolato Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: houma louisiana Posts: 432 Likes: 52 Liked 56 Times in 13 Posts	Re: What Stock rules would you change? There should not be any heads up runs between fuel injected cars and carb cars. and a way to stop the sand baggers make a rule to where if you have a heads up run you cant go faster then one tenth of what you qualifyed at. and yes they should change the seat belt rule to five years. Last edited by sammy pizzolato; 10-21-2020 at 03:57 PM.

10-21-2020, 05:39 PM	#130
Mike Schwartz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Maryland USA Posts: 533 Likes: 129 Liked 248 Times in 89 Posts	Re: What Stock rules would you change? There are cars in Stock that are quicker than some cars in Competition. Perhaps there should be a reevaluation of what classes belong in Competition, in Super Stock and in Stock? Performance? Cost? Allowable modifications? How about moving Stock classes where cars have made passes under 9.00 into SS, as a beginning?