Oddball Muscle Cars - Page 13

treessavoy · 03-11-2010, 04:26 PM

Six or seven years ago someone in Orlando FL sold a '63 Mercury 2dr Sedan, all original with a 427 side oiler, 4sp, bench seat, and 9" posi for $17,000. By the time I got there it was sold.

JimR

rawhide · 03-11-2010, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by treessavoy

Six or seven years ago someone in Orlando FL sold a '63 Mercury 2dr Sedan, all original with a 427 side oiler, 4sp, bench seat, and 9" posi for $17,000. By the time I got there it was sold.

JimR

Jim,
A 1963 model 427 would have been a top oiler. The side oiler did not arrive in production cars until 65 or 66.
thanks, Roland

treessavoy · 03-11-2010, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by rawhide

Jim,
A 1963 model 427 would have been a top oiler. The side oiler did not arrive in production cars until 65 or 66.
thanks, Roland

Ronald,

Thanks, I'm a Mopar guy but always loved those big FE's.

JimR

Paul Ceasrine · 03-12-2010, 06:14 AM

Jim R,,
No problem making mistakes on 'those-other-cars'. But you are not
allowed any slack on the 'Mopars'.
Even the Ford guys are not sure on there stuff. I had to pull my teeth out trying to get info (on a possible purchase) of a 68' Shelby GT350H.
Buick Riviera,
GS package had 3.42 gears. GM advertising a 'luxury-performance car'.
Great Hot Rod ad, WASP-looking guy with white shirt and tie, hot blonde
trophy girlfriend in white dress,,driving through a beautiful neigborhood,
with burn-out marks about 75' feet long...AHH AMERICANA at its finest!!
Paul,,

genuine jack · 03-13-2010, 05:43 AM

hey rory -

thanx a bunch for posting those pix of the "legal cheater / "black magic" '57 blower ford . great to see the car again . i hope the guy does a good job on the restoration .

jack

Paul Ceasrine · 03-14-2010, 07:02 AM

Olds 4-4-2,
Yes, on the ODD-BALL,,I would agree, the 1970 Toronado GT qualifies for this thread. A standard Toronado came with the 455/375hp engine.
The performance GT with the W-34 option gave you the 455/400hp engine. Also, equipped with a special TH-425 Turbo-Hydromatic, and
a special torque-converter (higher stall speed). The engine came through with larger intake valves, and high performance camshaft
(specs not listed). The rear bumper had cut-outs for the dual exhaust ends. The car did come through with special 'GT' badging. Of course, the final drive ratio for the front-wheel beast, 3.07.
I think other options were available, not part of the W-34 GT option.
One thing, just 'Do Not Get in The Way of That Car'. 4500lbs. and capable of reaching 135mph!!!
Paul,,,Thats with the a/c on..

Paul Ceasrine · 03-15-2010, 02:38 AM

Keith,
The Toronado GT was quicker in the 1/4. The 70 Buick Riviera GS did come through with the Stage 1 engine, 455/370HP.. High-lift cam,
stiffer valve springs, bigger QuadraJet, cold-air induction and low-restriction dual exhausts,, 3.42 gears (higher ratios available). But,
it was not quicker, despite being lighter (4247lbs. to the Toronado's
4500lbs.).
Toronado GT; 15.90's @ 89mph
Buick Riviera GS; 16.60's @ 85mph
Paul

Bret Kepner · 03-15-2010, 06:01 PM

The Toronado GT also had 56% of that massive bulk on the drive wheels!

Paul Ceasrine · 03-15-2010, 08:41 PM

Bret,
If "The Beast", the Toronado GT ever hit the 'Dream Car", the 67'
AMC Marlin,,,'SQUISH-FISH'..
Next up,,the 70' Pontiac Grand Prix 'Hurst SSJ'..
Paul

dakota tom · 03-15-2010, 08:45 PM

One car I remember being trashed by It's owner till it was junk was a 1969 Pontiac Grand Prix with the 390hp 428ho and 4 speed.

Ran pretty hard till he crashed it.

Bret, those bunneys in you avitar disturb me. Something tells me they are from the Monty Python farms?

03-11-2010, 04:26 PM	#121
treessavoy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Dunnellon,FL Posts: 1,103 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Oddball Muscle Cars Six or seven years ago someone in Orlando FL sold a '63 Mercury 2dr Sedan, all original with a 427 side oiler, 4sp, bench seat, and 9" posi for $17,000. By the time I got there it was sold. JimR __________________ Jim Rountree

03-12-2010, 06:14 AM	#124
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Oddball Muscle Cars Jim R,, No problem making mistakes on 'those-other-cars'. But you are not allowed any slack on the 'Mopars'. Even the Ford guys are not sure on there stuff. I had to pull my teeth out trying to get info (on a possible purchase) of a 68' Shelby GT350H. Buick Riviera, GS package had 3.42 gears. GM advertising a 'luxury-performance car'. Great Hot Rod ad, WASP-looking guy with white shirt and tie, hot blonde trophy girlfriend in white dress,,driving through a beautiful neigborhood, with burn-out marks about 75' feet long...AHH AMERICANA at its finest!! Paul,,

03-13-2010, 05:43 AM	#125
genuine jack Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 4 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Oddball Muscle Cars hey rory - thanx a bunch for posting those pix of the "legal cheater / "black magic" '57 blower ford . great to see the car again . i hope the guy does a good job on the restoration . jack

03-14-2010, 07:02 AM	#126
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Oddball Muscle Cars Olds 4-4-2, Yes, on the ODD-BALL,,I would agree, the 1970 Toronado GT qualifies for this thread. A standard Toronado came with the 455/375hp engine. The performance GT with the W-34 option gave you the 455/400hp engine. Also, equipped with a special TH-425 Turbo-Hydromatic, and a special torque-converter (higher stall speed). The engine came through with larger intake valves, and high performance camshaft (specs not listed). The rear bumper had cut-outs for the dual exhaust ends. The car did come through with special 'GT' badging. Of course, the final drive ratio for the front-wheel beast, 3.07. I think other options were available, not part of the W-34 GT option. One thing, just 'Do Not Get in The Way of That Car'. 4500lbs. and capable of reaching 135mph!!! Paul,,,Thats with the a/c on..

03-15-2010, 02:38 AM	#127
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Oddball Muscle Cars Keith, The Toronado GT was quicker in the 1/4. The 70 Buick Riviera GS did come through with the Stage 1 engine, 455/370HP.. High-lift cam, stiffer valve springs, bigger QuadraJet, cold-air induction and low-restriction dual exhausts,, 3.42 gears (higher ratios available). But, it was not quicker, despite being lighter (4247lbs. to the Toronado's 4500lbs.). Toronado GT; 15.90's @ 89mph Buick Riviera GS; 16.60's @ 85mph Paul

03-15-2010, 06:01 PM	#128
Bret Kepner Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Saint Louis, Missouri, USA Posts: 418 Likes: 1 Liked 11 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Oddball Muscle Cars The Toronado GT also had 56% of that massive bulk on the drive wheels! __________________ Bret Kepner BRETKEPNER@Prodigy.net Saint Louis, Missouri, USA

03-15-2010, 08:41 PM	#129
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Oddball Muscle Cars Bret, If "The Beast", the Toronado GT ever hit the 'Dream Car", the 67' AMC Marlin,,,'SQUISH-FISH'.. Next up,,the 70' Pontiac Grand Prix 'Hurst SSJ'.. Paul Last edited by Paul Ceasrine; 03-15-2010 at 09:09 PM. Reason: correction

03-15-2010, 08:45 PM	#130
dakota tom Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 13 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Oddball Muscle Cars One car I remember being trashed by It's owner till it was junk was a 1969 Pontiac Grand Prix with the 390hp 428ho and 4 speed. Ran pretty hard till he crashed it. Bret, those bunneys in you avitar disturb me. Something tells me they are from the Monty Python farms?