New cars, old cars and horsepower ratings. - Page 12

Hemi Moose · 09-22-2012, 09:57 AM

I think I have a solution to all of the arguing...everyone build their cars the way they want, run any class you want to, till everyone from each class goes up against the Pro classes...ever wonder if a stocker can take out a pro stocker, or a super stocker run against a funny car or top fueler...wouldn't you like to beat John Force or Tony Schumacher for the title of " World Champ" lol.

Jack McCarthy · 09-22-2012, 02:17 PM

unbelievable...
greg hill has begun drinking the nhra koolaid

if you couldnt buy it from a dealer it has no place in STOCK eliminator... period

captain

X-TECH MAN · 09-22-2012, 08:23 PM

Check out how Larry and Patsy Hill feel about the new cars in A/SA on their last post under " Live at the Sports Nationals ". The new stuff is just plain WRONG !

NewHemi · 09-23-2012, 07:21 PM

It isn't all new cars! Sure many do have a advantage, but what other car do you know than the 345 challenger who has gotten more HP in a shorter time. So the AFHS works to a point. And in time, newer technology logically should have an edge.

But putting Supercharged cars against naturally aspirated cars is simply bad for everybody except the Companies who field those cars (now Ford and GM) and what do you think will happen now for them?

Now that Ford doesn't own the playground any more, they will both start taking HP hits.

Will that level the field? No, but the field was never level for very long. And expecting/hoping that it will eventually balance out is wasted expectations.

It all about the Benjamins. Money talks, and fair racing walks. If all three companies were pouring in the same amout into the NHRA, there might be some level of fairness...Or maybe not.

Right now, it is, what it is.

David
The New Hemi Guy

Tom Moock · 09-23-2012, 07:28 PM

David, how's the AHFS working in SS when your car runs the same index in stock and super stock with minor weight difference 11.00. Tom

Andrew Hill · 09-23-2012, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewHemi

It isn't all new cars! Sure many do have a advantage, but what other car do you know than the 345 challenger who has gotten more HP in a shorter time. So the AFHS works to a point. And in time, newer technology logically should have an edge.

I don't think that a car has gotten 100+ HP and is still crazy fast shows good things about the current system...

Ed Wright · 09-23-2012, 08:02 PM

The guys that run them are much more impressed with those cars than anybody else.

Greg Hill · 09-23-2012, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack McCarthy

unbelievable...
greg hill has begun drinking the nhra koolaid

if you couldnt buy it from a dealer it has no place in STOCK eliminator... period

captain

Jack, not kool aid, Knob Creek. You know that I agree with you wholeheartedly. The problem is that NHRA doesn't. My whole point is that if these new cars can run these motors that never came in them, with bogus factors the older cars should have that same advantage. These new cars need to be in their own class. As one of my good friends said in 2008 they should be in F/X classes.

Jim Kaekel · 09-24-2012, 08:51 AM

[QUOTE=Todd Hoven;347919] Anytime we ask for help on parts its a big no. Everybody in the eliminator has a replacement aluminum head except for round port Pontiacs, and I bet the castings we have to buy are more expensive than anyone else in the eliminator. ]

Todd: I've had the same issues on my 455 Olds. The thing that's crazy is in Edelbrock's own catalog, it says the Olds head is legal for Stock, which is not true.

87firebird · 09-24-2012, 11:37 AM

when a combo gets an index adjustment for 1/4 mile does it affect the 1/8 mile index?

09-22-2012, 09:57 AM	#111
Hemi Moose VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,824 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 11 Posts	Re: New cars, old cars and horsepower ratings. I think I have a solution to all of the arguing...everyone build their cars the way they want, run any class you want to, till everyone from each class goes up against the Pro classes...ever wonder if a stocker can take out a pro stocker, or a super stocker run against a funny car or top fueler...wouldn't you like to beat John Force or Tony Schumacher for the title of " World Champ" lol.

09-22-2012, 02:17 PM	#112
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,297 Likes: 25 Liked 379 Times in 101 Posts	Re: New cars, old cars and horsepower ratings. unbelievable... greg hill has begun drinking the nhra koolaid if you couldnt buy it from a dealer it has no place in STOCK eliminator... period captain __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"

09-22-2012, 08:23 PM	#113
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,207 Likes: 1,049 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: New cars, old cars and horsepower ratings. Check out how Larry and Patsy Hill feel about the new cars in A/SA on their last post under " Live at the Sports Nationals ". The new stuff is just plain WRONG ! Last edited by X-TECH MAN; 09-23-2012 at 10:34 AM.

09-23-2012, 07:21 PM	#114
NewHemi Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 472 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: New cars, old cars and horsepower ratings. It isn't all new cars! Sure many do have a advantage, but what other car do you know than the 345 challenger who has gotten more HP in a shorter time. So the AFHS works to a point. And in time, newer technology logically should have an edge. But putting Supercharged cars against naturally aspirated cars is simply bad for everybody except the Companies who field those cars (now Ford and GM) and what do you think will happen now for them? Now that Ford doesn't own the playground any more, they will both start taking HP hits. Will that level the field? No, but the field was never level for very long. And expecting/hoping that it will eventually balance out is wasted expectations. It all about the Benjamins. Money talks, and fair racing walks. If all three companies were pouring in the same amout into the NHRA, there might be some level of fairness...Or maybe not. Right now, it is, what it is. David The New Hemi Guy

09-23-2012, 07:28 PM	#115
Tom Moock Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 801 Likes: 1 Liked 10 Times in 6 Posts	Re: New cars, old cars and horsepower ratings. David, how's the AHFS working in SS when your car runs the same index in stock and super stock with minor weight difference 11.00. Tom __________________ Tom Moock 5704 STK

09-23-2012, 08:02 PM	#117
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 389 Times in 168 Posts	Re: New cars, old cars and horsepower ratings. The guys that run them are much more impressed with those cars than anybody else. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

09-24-2012, 08:51 AM	#119
Jim Kaekel VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,222 Likes: 134 Liked 498 Times in 104 Posts	Re: New cars, old cars and horsepower ratings. [QUOTE=Todd Hoven;347919] Anytime we ask for help on parts its a big no. Everybody in the eliminator has a replacement aluminum head except for round port Pontiacs, and I bet the castings we have to buy are more expensive than anyone else in the eliminator. ] Todd: I've had the same issues on my 455 Olds. The thing that's crazy is in Edelbrock's own catalog, it says the Olds head is legal for Stock, which is not true. __________________ Jim Kaekel 3836 STK

09-24-2012, 11:37 AM	#120
87firebird Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: New cars, old cars and horsepower ratings. when a combo gets an index adjustment for 1/4 mile does it affect the 1/8 mile index?