Think about this.........

Dale Shannon · 12-20-2009, 03:40 PM

Bracket racing is what has hurt S/SS more than anything, that is all that plays on a weekly bases at local tracks and is full of young people on a Friday nite. How many people under the age of 25 run S/SS that their Dad is not involved? How many S/SS entrys now
are under 50yrs old? Years ago your Pros came from S/SS, now its SG and Super Comp.Will this truly become a HANDYCAP eliminator, or will the SSS's stand for Seniors?

Dale Shannon (old retired S/SS)

Dick Butler · 12-20-2009, 05:42 PM

Stk and SS will be gone when the last of the OLD GUYS passes away. The rule keeping and changes could be interpreted to Self Destruct the classes. Many refuse to see it. I believe because many are still owning a very expensive Great car they want to have fun with more times. If someone bought the car and trailer for appropriate price Many would probably be able to RETIRE from Class racing.... Hard to do But possible. When the last 55 chevy owner, Gta racer or Mustang driver decides to recognize the futility of hoping for reasonable rules or enforcement its DONE....
Most will hang on till then....

Larry Hill · 12-20-2009, 06:00 PM

What is going to happen when Biondo, DeFrank, Fletcher, and the rest get pummeled by the Ford CJ,and the DP Challenger in semi finals in a heads up run.
1. If these pros or anyone else with a carburetor runs against these cars they will lose.
2. The pros won't make any money.
3. Most if not all of of the the above will be on Social Security before the AHFS will get the correct factor on these "Factory Race Cars"

Alan Roehrich · 12-20-2009, 06:08 PM

No, I don't think bracket racing is the cause of the decline of Stock and Super Stock. Poor control of the classes by NHRA, and failure to promote them is the cause. That and a change in society, especially the younger segment. I don't think it is correct or fair to place the blame on bracket racing.

7423 · 12-20-2009, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

No, I don't think bracket racing is the cause of the decline of Stock and Super Stock. Poor control of the classes by NHRA, and failure to promote them is the cause. That and a change in society, especially the younger segment. I don't think it is correct or fair to place the blame on bracket racing.

That is the gospel, absolutely true, well said Alan!!

Tim H · 12-27-2009, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

No, I don't think bracket racing is the cause of the decline of Stock and Super Stock. Poor control of the classes by NHRA, and failure to promote them is the cause. That and a change in society, especially the younger segment. I don't think it is correct or fair to place the blame on bracket racing.

I agree 100 %

JMatt · 12-27-2009, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Tim H

I agree 100 %

Gentlemen's agreements to race to the 1,000 ft mark and lift to save the precious index don't help much either. It's like saying "I won't cheat against you, but the two of us can keep cheating against the other 130 racers." Nevermind it doesn't make for good races for the fans.

Billy Nees · 12-27-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Indyracer

Gentlemen's agreements to race to the 1,000 ft mark and lift to save the precious index don't help much either. It's like saying "I won't cheat against you, but the two of us can keep cheating against the other 130 racers." Nevermind it doesn't make for good races for the fans.

This just reminded me of a funny (and true!) story! I was at my local track running S/P before delay boxes were legal in Div.1 and I had to race a guy that had a box in his car. I went over to the head Techman and told him that "this guy had a box in his car"! He told me that he knew about it and the guy promised that he wouldn't use it. Well this Techman has a couple of very pretty young daughters so I said to him "put me in a closet with your daughters and I promise I won't touch them"! The Techman made the guy take the box out before he ran me.
I guess that I made my point.

442OLDS · 12-20-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry Hill

What is going to happen when Biondo, DeFrank, Fletcher, and the rest get pummeled by the Ford CJ,and the DP Challenger in semi finals in a heads up run.

Maybe they will get hired by Ford or Mopar to be hired guns to drive the new models.Then the factories will be assured of seeing their new vehicles in the winner's circle?

Just a thought......

P.S.

Bracket racing format is what has made SS/S as popular as it is.If it was all heads up,participation would drop by a HUGE amount!

Evan Smith · 12-20-2009, 06:44 PM

I love working on my car, as most do, and I love the heads-up portion of Stock and SS. Here is an observation: I woud guess that 99 percent of the talk on this site is about performance, rules and the competitiveness of different combinations, however, 95 percent of the racing we do is bracket racing.

For all the talk about the CJ, Challengers and other so-called out-of-line combos, how many people have lost a heads-up race to one of these cars? I bet the number is very few and the percentage is very low.

On the topic of value, we race beacuse we love racing and many of us have an emotional attachment to the cars we race. I doubt any car has been devalued by any other combination. I don't think there is a line of people waiting to buy fast Stocker, just becaue they "own" a class. And if that is your motivation, go build a car that is a winner out of the gate. It is done in NASCAR and other forms of motorsports.

12-20-2009, 03:40 PM	#1
Dale Shannon Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Denver NC Posts: 74 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Think about this......... Bracket racing is what has hurt S/SS more than anything, that is all that plays on a weekly bases at local tracks and is full of young people on a Friday nite. How many people under the age of 25 run S/SS that their Dad is not involved? How many S/SS entrys now are under 50yrs old? Years ago your Pros came from S/SS, now its SG and Super Comp.Will this truly become a HANDYCAP eliminator, or will the SSS's stand for Seniors? Dale Shannon (old retired S/SS)

12-20-2009, 05:42 PM	#2
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Think about this......... Stk and SS will be gone when the last of the OLD GUYS passes away. The rule keeping and changes could be interpreted to Self Destruct the classes. Many refuse to see it. I believe because many are still owning a very expensive Great car they want to have fun with more times. If someone bought the car and trailer for appropriate price Many would probably be able to RETIRE from Class racing.... Hard to do But possible. When the last 55 chevy owner, Gta racer or Mustang driver decides to recognize the futility of hoping for reasonable rules or enforcement its DONE.... Most will hang on till then....

12-20-2009, 06:00 PM	#3
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,637 Likes: 1,929 Liked 10,701 Times in 2,228 Posts	Re: Think about this......... What is going to happen when Biondo, DeFrank, Fletcher, and the rest get pummeled by the Ford CJ,and the DP Challenger in semi finals in a heads up run. 1. If these pros or anyone else with a carburetor runs against these cars they will lose. 2. The pros won't make any money. 3. Most if not all of of the the above will be on Social Security before the AHFS will get the correct factor on these "Factory Race Cars" __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

12-20-2009, 06:08 PM	#4
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,113 Likes: 1,571 Liked 1,821 Times in 413 Posts	Re: Think about this......... No, I don't think bracket racing is the cause of the decline of Stock and Super Stock. Poor control of the classes by NHRA, and failure to promote them is the cause. That and a change in society, especially the younger segment. I don't think it is correct or fair to place the blame on bracket racing. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

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Evan Smith Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Tampa Posts: 400 Likes: 7 Liked 115 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Think about this......... I love working on my car, as most do, and I love the heads-up portion of Stock and SS. Here is an observation: I woud guess that 99 percent of the talk on this site is about performance, rules and the competitiveness of different combinations, however, 95 percent of the racing we do is bracket racing. For all the talk about the CJ, Challengers and other so-called out-of-line combos, how many people have lost a heads-up race to one of these cars? I bet the number is very few and the percentage is very low. On the topic of value, we race beacuse we love racing and many of us have an emotional attachment to the cars we race. I doubt any car has been devalued by any other combination. I don't think there is a line of people waiting to buy fast Stocker, just becaue they "own" a class. And if that is your motivation, go build a car that is a winner out of the gate. It is done in NASCAR and other forms of motorsports. __________________ Evan Smith 1798 STK