Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser

[onefarmer]

Had a larger than normal 32 teeth rear sprocket. When I saw all the other copo cars have a totally enclosed rear belt guard this year we figured something was fishy. And it was on way more cars than got caught, and from two different engine suppliers. I have to remind myself more than once that when I'm complaining about anything at the track I am complaining about privilege problems. What ALL those guys did is not what we would expect fellow sportsman to do in our eyes, but this does not make them evil people. Yeah I would liked to have seen much harsher out come but that's for more of my own selfishness reasons. I'm I gonna walk over and do the normal small talk as before with these guys? I hope I can keep taking the high road "which apparently is the one less traveled" but time will tell. The black eye on the ones who got caught and the ones who did not is by far worse than the $2500 and 100 points. Judgement by our peers is not nearly as important than judgement from the man above. We all can always strive to better at everything we do in life. Hopefully these classes can move on from this, as I think the FX cars are the coolest thing going, but that's just my 2cents. There will only be 4 us racing at Maple grove this weekend so if your there please stop by the pits and check them out. We will be parked bottom of the hill from the staging lanes on the left.

[L.Fite]

Originally Posted by Mike Gray

I'm more confused, did they make larger pulleys or just claim the wrong engine?
Both are wrong and is not a gray area but cheating. One can be "oops used wrong note" the other is blatant in your face cheating to win and deserves a much harsher penalty.

NHRA Technical Specifications
For
2019 Chevrolet Motors


Issued: 1/26/19 PC
Revised: 2/14/19 PC 1/1/20 PC, 2/12/2020, 1/1/21, 2/12/2020, 1/5/2021, 4/23/21, 6/29/2021, 12/3/21, 12/16/21, 9/18/22, 1/1/2023

HP Disp C.R. Ind. Make Model/Transmission Manifold R.R. Lifter Head Notes



600 350 12.50 Supercharged Magnuson 60-02-00-015 1.80 H/R 66.0 2,3,6,7,A

630 350 12.50 Supercharged Magnuson 60-02-00-015 1.90 S/R 66.0 2,4,6,7,A

Notes

3 = Supercharged Magnuson pn# 50-00-26-002 3.350 inch pulley, lower pulley 8.00, jackshaft pulley 32 teeth, rotor pulley 34 teeth

4 = Supercharged Magnuson pn# 50-00-26-002 3.350 inch pulley, lower pulley 8.00, jackshaft pulley 34 teeth, rotor pulley 32 teeth

Not knowing anything about those combos...
I'm a little confused now...

[63corvette]

I have watched this thread and I am amazed at several of the opinions expressed.
In my opinion which is just that an opinion, anyone who cheats knowingly just for advantage trying to win fame and fortune has a basic character flaw.
I also can not believe NHRA did not come down much harder on those caught as discussed in this thread.
That says a great deal about NHRA management?s character also.
I currently believe there is cheating going on in all of the sportsmen categories and NHRA does not seem to care.
I also think safety has been compromised since tech seems to no longer exist.
I just competed at an unnamed Division Race and witnessed several blatant safety violations in the staging lanes as we prepared to run.
One competitor made a pass in a roadster without a head and neck restraint, neck collar, head sock, or helmet drape. Another made a pass with the parachute attachment to the car dangling down behind the body.
Both of those things were easily spotted by many in the lanes.
Both should have been required by the rules in the rule book.
I am just very disappointed in NHRA for many reasons currently.
Just my 2 cents.
Rick Cates
Canyon TX

[1legjerry]

I suspect because NHRA changed the rule right after they got caught, there is way more to the story and we will likely never know unless someone spills the beans from 1 of the stanfield cars. My guess is in 30 days the fines will be lifted and the points deduction will stay.

Maybe, a big Maybe someone forgot to update the rules and let everyone know at the first of the year. again maybe.

[SSDA Hemi]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

Do you think the next time they are in the opposite lane anyone of their competitors is going to refuse to run them? The answer is not one!

Wrong Ed. Geoff Turk/ Alex Laughlin is one.

This went on for a year and a half and clearly an NHRA tech mishandling of the situation which affects all of us. Why they chose to save face now is anyones guess. Seeing the lack of integrity displayed by too many racers and NHRA's refusal to enforce the rules , I do believe in what Geoff did. United we stand, divided we fall. The only thing NHRA seems to care about is their wallet

[1320racer]

time will tell if I'm right or wrong, right now racer saying they won't is a knee jerk reaction!

[Tom P]

Kind of reads like the rules and tech inspectors may not realize that when the pulley on the back end of the jackshaft is bigger it means more overdrive even if the 32 and 34 tooth pulley counts are still correct.

[AC]

Originally Posted by onefarmer

My understanding is there was 32 nubs on the outside so the counting could be done and the teeth where spaced out where the belt rode to catch the cogged belt correctly, close to 1/2" or a 36 tooth. Pretty smart design as apparently it has been in use since mid season last year and passed tech several times. Looking at all the numbers from the races from last year to Indy is easy to see who all had something extra under the hood in FSS and FX Mph and ET don't lie. We did not run our FSS car after Las Vegas race last fall because we were not competitive there. We laughed and said all year we would have to swap the rear pullies to run the cars in show down . Well now we know that was the truth. We have been working all year trying to get our engines better to make more HP since we were down 4-5 mph with the FX cars prior to Indy. Now we know the 80hp we were looking for was never gonna be found. I believe I lost 3 races last year to pully-gate 2024, and 3 this year. This makes my win at Norwalk this summer all that much more rewarding. My lose to Aaron in the finals at Indy was a legit lose. He clearly out drove me as I brought my worse pass of the weekend to the final. Now since the engine in the car was ran Sunday in Greggs car then switched Sunday night before he raced Alex and I, well that is another story in its self. The rules are the same as Pro-stock, once a engine makes a pass in one car it can not be used in another car at same event. But since the engines were never teched in with the serial numbers as should have been it was left go. Again I guess some people think rules are more of a suggestion then the standard.....

Makes you wonder about their prostock program and past championships.

[Cglrcng]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

Correct but unlike most of the comments here, I applauded those guys, they played the gray area of the rule book and will continue to do so!

As the OP stated...

Hey Ed (1320racer), can you please point out that gray area in the NHRA Rulebook those guys found and played in (the specific age and section number please, as all I see is either black writing on white pages or white writing on black headings.

The only gray in the book can be found in some pics, many diagrams, and some ads.

Their specific rules are posted what part number Magnuson to run for what combo, pulley sizes, pulley locations and tooth counts plus a must run as received from the manufacturer requirement without modification limitation (even adding the custom hiding covers actually appears to violate that rule if attached to the part).

There is also a specific rule that also says in part and I will not quote it from the book but simply state the expressed item (if something does not state accepted or prohibited in the rules, then assume it is prohibited, ask tech first).

In their class or not, we are dues paying members of an Association (the last letter in NHRA), and our reputation as members, along with records, and stats recorded, events won and competition conducted are all sullied when mutiple people aim to cheat or find gray where it simply does not exist..

And in this particular case there was no gray, but multiple violations, by either engine/car builders, crew or teams. But the rules they were racing under was very specific at each event conducted.

Larger and/or Smaller pulleys, different sizing, different number of teeth, and or reversing the pulley(s) (or otherwise modifying the as supplied Magnuson of a specific part number called out in the rules notes 3 and 4 was specifically Prohibited under the published ruleset fir the class...Period. End of story.

And therefore a violation in each case, though the investigation is still ongoing (according to NHRA stating no comment to media), as are any filed appeals still yet to be completed.

You have your opinion and morals (or lack thereof IMHO brother), I have mine, we are in different race classes...And I like it that way!

If you ever truly find that "gray area to play in" in that rulebook, please point it out to me as I am the slowest of the slowest class (at least in Stock Elim.), and I could certainly afford to go a lot faster if some unknown magic gray area was deemed legal or not prohibited. (Meaning specifically ALLOWED of course).

Finding Horsepower is hard without blowers/superchargers/turbos/or other chemical/mechanical power adders, etc.

So any additional legal gray area found (within the black writing on white pages), would be a boost up. Sadly though it just does not exist except in some loose moral characters minds. Just my opinion mind you.

[1700camaro]

Blackbird Performance posted a couple of interesting recent posts about not competing with NHRA anymore. We'll see if he sticks to his guns!

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