Crate Motor Class

[Birch motor cars]

It's pointless discussing this any more.

[Larry Hill]

And you can be Number one qualifier at Indy with legal stuff, but it does take more work than money.

[James Perrone]

Originally Posted by Birch motor cars

Here you go James, POST#611 goes by Ken Bugaj. I called him out for calling Crate Motor cars budget racers. He hits me back with this.

QUOTE=Birch motor cars;555895]Hold on there Ken, Budget racers ??? You must have meant to say Legal racers !!! Your implying your running illegal because you spend 5k on your stock cant do anything to heads. Xx What I was saying is that most crate motor guys won't spend the 5K to Port & Polish head's & intake then cover it up. They'll do the basic legal head work.

I told him to look at what he just admitted to in his post. You cant do any of that in stock. He in a sense is correct to the point that I did do the legal head work allowed, I didn't cover anything up.

So where do you plan on racing. I don’t believe there were any ihra tracks in Iowa
Or do you just have a hard on for Cooter.
Birch Motors? I believe your a car salesman or something Tirekicker
Drag racing cost $$$$ so get over your bracket car. It cost $$.
At least Cooter is a D2 racer. Do You Even Race?

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Birch motor cars

It's pointless discussing this any more.

I'm good with that!

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Birch motor cars

Mike you are 100% correct. I'm a Crate motor guy with a brand new legal crate motor sitting on my shop floor. I contacted Glendora about building a legal NHRA motor, they told me my options, so I dug into the rule book and ClassRacerInfo.com. I really had quite a laugh of what I discovered. So NHRA allows aftermarket blocks, heads, intakes just as you outlined. So what's the difference ??? So really here I sit with a legal 350ci 330hp crate motor that is more stock then what the NHRA book allows. The only thing I can come up with is all of these keyboard jockeys on here are just plain in simple SCARED of our combinations because we run faster without spending thousands of dollars to cheat, that's right some of you keyboard jockeys on here have auctally admitted to it. Therfore is the reason, they call us bracket racers or oh go back to the brackets, that's right we can go bracket race our cars because they can take it unlike the others. I'm a guy that says what Im thinking, it's real hard to read all of this hatred and hold back from responding to these scared people. My Legal Crate Motor is going in my mini tubed, 10.5" tire, holley 750cfm, Edlebrock Super Vector intake car in a few weeks and will race it's little heart out at Class Assioation races and local brackets.

No, actually you don't have a perfectly legal crate motor. You know why? Because crate motors are not accepted in NHRA Stock Eliminator, and IHRA Stock Eliminator is dead. What you have is a candidate for a bracket car or a street car.

Further, it didn't come stock in anything, so it isn't more stock than any legal original combination, regardless of accepted aftermarket components.

Mostly what you have is a car, an illegal engine, and an entitled attitude that makes you think the current rules should be altered to fit your wants and needs, not to mention a holier than thou attitude about how stock your crate motor is. Oh, and the superiority complex that makes you think anyone is scared of you.

You guys with crate motors are demanding that everyone else change their class with set rules to suit you, along with Mr. Pure Stock. And you've gotten worse with every post about how you think you're entitled to change someone else's game, and they're jerks for not jumping through hoops and bending over backwards to do as you ask.

Here's the deal, the NHRA class has been around a long time, and has done better than the IHRA deal. So much better now that NHRA races usually fill their quotas, and your IHRA deal dropped stone dead. those are the absolute incontrovertible facts, regardless of how you, I, or anyone else feels about them. If the IHRA deal was so great, and you guys had such a good thing, it would still be going, and NHRA would be falling all over themselves to do it.

I don't have anything personal against any of you. I really hate that you lost your place to race, I hate that for anyone, and I hate that it keeps IHRA from doing at least a little to help keep NHRA slightly honest. Currently, we're not racing, hopefully, in the not too distant future, we can return. In the mean time, I'm helping about a dozen other guys with their program, selling parts and technical support, at minimum. None of them is running anything other than a currently legal NHRA combination, and none of them wants to see any classes added. The way they see it, they're stepping up to spend the money to build a combination that fits the current rules, and if they can do it, so can you.

[Lee Valentine]

Alan, what I don't think they realize is If NHRA were to allow crate motors in a year there would be killer crate engines being built just like the current stock eliminator stuff. I know Tilburg,Gulius, Barton and numerous other bulders would have them stupid fast in no time.

[Bob Bender]

I think I saw a V-8 Vega in IHRA crate motor class. Makes sense? Not to me. I ran a real Vega with the 4 cycl. Build your class car to the only rules that are there, NHRA !!!!!

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Lee Valentine

Alan, what I don't think they realize is If NHRA were to allow crate motors in a year there would be killer crate engines being built just like the current stock eliminator stuff. I know Tilburg,Gulius, Barton and numerous other bulders would have them stupid fast in no time.

There were plenty of scienced out crate motors that used to run with the IHRA.

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by HR9121

Hey Dingbat you didn't run NHRA so you didn't support our sport. You see how stupid that sounds.
News flash IHRA doesn't run stock anymore so how can it be a legal sticker without a sanctioning body?

You don’t speak for me!
Everyone runs at sanctioned NHRA tracks.
Still that is not the issue...

You admit you did not support IHRA Class Racing!
That was my point! Too many others did not either.
And you had combinations to run both and you didn’t.
What was wrong attending IHRA programs?

Instead you dirge me trying to duck the issue and play victim.
I have a legal stocker because the rules are documented and still apply.
Especially running at association and NMCA races.
Because there is this thing called integrity!

It is frustrating dealing with grumpy people like you.
Why would any one want to come near an NHRA Meet?
Instead of supporting this invitation by NHRA you are trying to beat us into submission until we smile!

Speaking for myself, Iam not changing anything to have fun.
Which is the reason any one of us builds what we have.
I have options and will go where my business is courted.
Also called Capitalism !

I think it is cool that NHRA is promoting the 1/8th mile races.
Especially Allowing CM cars to compete!
Just wish they invited the rest of us Pure Stocks and GT cars.

I am still a proud IHRA member and NHRA, and NMCA and soon AHRA!

It is sad that IHRA dropped Class Racing.
Let’s hope NHRA does not do the same!

Dan